i know in the one that is largest corporation in spain is called the wonder god corporation they operate as a cooperative there are alternatives to capitalism we're not stuck with that and we're not stuck with capitalism incrusted by a few laws that they know well how do we they'd undo within years after they are produced we're not limited to that and yet we act as if that's the only universe which we can make choices mark go ahead reply the only example of pure socialism that i know of is the israeli keep books which works i think for maybe a thousand people when they all work together and none of them get paid and they all do what they want to do but any time you have a so-so some system larger than that a socialist system what happens well there's an incentive for people not to work very hard because other people are doing the work you have to reward people who are being more productive more than other people to me it's not that socialism is perfect or as well it's not a pretty nice there is it right now in the nation all right when they come socially it's an economy going to rise the

what is your message for corporate america s? it seems to be a disparity between the salaries they are earning and the workers pay. where do think that will end up in the next decade? >> what you think is behind this corporate salaries going up like that? >> when the competition causes them to pay more -- they have to pay to get the best talent. -$39ccording to that report million in overall compensation. , the head of disney. and at no. 6 is the head of the ebay, john donohoe. howard schultz of starbucks with $29 million in compensation. out the top 10. the report there was mentioned in a number of publications including the new york times recently. rounding out the top 10. you are a retail shoe store owner. tell us about that. >> basically a family run business. the government is trying to stop small and medium-sized businesses by taxing the crud out of us. >> what is the challenge that family-run businesses use a faces? you say faces? >> the new health care bill is a monster. for company my size. just in that regulation is goi

to corporations.ll they're hearing is that their tax rate will be lower. >> it's in a perfect world. it's what we wish america was the way we actually operated. if you lower the corporate tax rate 228, awesome if they're paying 28. cenk: if they're actually going to pay 28. >> we'll be able to take the 28 and put it into intra structure, schools, the job market and rebuild our economy that's been destroyed. i would take that. when people hear that, they go that's awesome, when the people who are educated to a certain level and say our corporate tax rate is zero. again, i don't believe that it would happen, the loophole part would happen at all. cenk: the republicans say well, look, guys, you know, we want to make the rate flatter and simpler, et cetera, and they think this is not enough of a corporate tax rate. >> let's lower it to 0%. all these poor corporations sitting around filing paperwork and filling out these forms and because of that, they can't even run their own businesses. really? that's su

their journey of cat the history of capitalism has been understood by corporations i work with corporations they understand perfectly well that they have a problem they are a tiny minority that runs the economic system and they have this inconvenience called universal suffrage in politics there are all these votes that people have ok they've solved that problem they've used their money and they've used their influence to pick our candidates to control our parties to control the media they're having a field day we're not going to get a government that turns against them unless and until the mass of people arise and demanded which is the only way we can move what i want to make sure is we don't make that we're right in that we need in the thirty's we have some rules we have some regulations but we didn't go to the core of the problem which is the corporations and the power they wield until we do we're going to be sitting here complaining about the results but the irony is we don't go to the root of the problem which is that way of organizing productions klara gentlemen i'm going to jump in he

corporations only pay thirteen percent so i just want to list some ten the ten worst corporate tax avoidance exxon mobil largest oil company in the world made by king billion of profits in two thousand and nine. exon not only paid no federal income taxes it actually received one hundred fifty six million dollars rebate from the i.r.s. over the past five years while general electric bay twenty six billion in profits in the united states it received a four point one billion dollar refund from the r.s. so if you're working still in make it thirty forty thousand dollars yeah you're paying taxes but if you're chevron and you made ten billion of profits in two thousand die and you don't have to pay any taxes you get a nineteen million dollar refund. the palmetto recommended constant surveillance of content in text books newspapers magazines radio and television insisting the big business use the media to convince americans that an end to business regulation would somehow benefit us all for thirty eight years the federal communications commission had enforced the fairness doctrine which mandated th

corporations only pay thirteen percent so i just want to list some ten the ten worst corporate tax avoidance exxon mobil largest oil company in the world made by team billion of profits in two thousand and nine. exon not only paid no federal income taxes and actually received one hundred fifty six million dollars rebate from the i.r.s. over the past five years while general electric bay twenty six billion in profits in the united states it received a four point one billion dollar refund from the i.r.s. so if you're working step in make a thirty forty thousand dollars yeah you're paying taxes but if you're chevron or you made ten billion of profits in two thousand die and you don't have to pay any taxes you get a nineteen million dollar refund. the palmetto recommended constant surveillance of content in text books newspapers magazines radio and television insisting the big business use the media to convince americans that an end to business regulation would somehow benefit us all for thirty eight years the federal communications commission had enforced the fairness doctrine which mandated th

police your corporation. in their eyes that in the government's eyes anyway all this is the one that is going on the theory that we've got a shadow government and we're actually incorporated and we are incorporated when we have a capital name capital letter yeah i've heard about it thank you for the call tony in point pleasant west virginia and tell me what's up yeah. you're on the air tony . thank you you need to listen to your telephone number to ok go ahead. why were you having this big dollar a. i had my guy ask you about billions of dollars in a. tree when we need it. when we need that aid here. tony thank you for the call when you call by the way you need to listen to your telephone not your t.v. because there is a time delay between the time the signal gets out here and gets to you so just turn the volume down on your t.v. and most of the phones tony we're given billions of dollars in aid to other countries because it's generally i mean the theory anyway is that it's in our best interests our foreign a

which we now call corporate occupied territory so the civic organization didn't keep up with the corporate organization so the this this this transition period the mid seventy's and this followed the the the famous memo that louis paul wrote to his best friend the c.e.o. of the chamber of commerce saying we need to take over the schools we need to take over the courts we need to you know the corporations the dorgan you know they actually named you in that memo and he said these people are out to get us to how much credit or discredit to you do you give to louis paul and months later he was put on the supreme court by next year and the court started ruling in a very very corporate way and as and that has been turned into an art form by john roberts. how much credit do you give to that paul memo as being perhaps the opening shot of the salvo of what became the reagan revolution tros very important you've written about it is very important because what it did it laid out a plan from a utility lawyer that he represented utilities and other big companies in richmond virginia and also brought hi

study on average the largest us corporations they paid less than half of the federal corporate tax rate we know turn to prime interest producer justin underhill just how are these large corporations able to accomplish this all corporate profits as a share of g.d.p. have risen to all time highs while corporate income tax payments have fallen to lows the x.-axis here excuse me the y. axis is the amount of profits and taxes expressed as a percent of g.d.p. and the x. axis is years ranging from one nine hundred forty five to two thousand and twelve and over most of this period profits have steadily increased especially rising during the one nine hundred eighty s. and this at the same time the amount of taxes paid by the is the very same corporations has steadily declined over time now why don't these corporate taxes increase with profits is not because tax rates are low in fact the u.s. is one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world at thirty five percent but there is something that has changed dramatically over the past thirty years billions of dollars worth of special tax breaks s

corporations only pay thirteen percent so i just want to list some ten. the ten worst corporate tax avoidance exxon mobil largest oil company in the world made nineteen billion a profits in two thousand and nine. exon not only paid no federal income taxes it actually received one hundred fifty six million dollars rebate from the i.r.s. over the past five years while general electric bay twenty six billion in profits in the united states it received a four point one billion dollar refund from the i.r.s. so if you're working step in make it thirty forty thousand dollars yeah you're paying taxes but if you're chevron or you made ten billion of profits in two thousand die and you don't have to pay any taxes you get a nineteen million dollar refund. the palmetto recommended constant surveillance of content in text books newspapers magazines radio and television insisting the big business use the media to convince americans that an end to business regulation would somehow benefit us all for thirty eight years the federal communications commission had enforced t

study on average the largest us corporations they paid less than half of the federal corporate tax rate we know turn to prime interest producer justin underhill just how are these large corporations able to accomplish this all corporate profits as a share of g.d.p. have risen to all time highs while corporate income tax payments have fallen to lows the x.-axis here excuse me the why. axis is the amount of profits and taxes expressed as a percent of g.d.p. and the x. axis is years ranging from one nine hundred forty five to two thousand and twelve and over most of this period profits have steadily increased especially rising during the nineteen eighties and this at the same time the amount of taxes paid by the very same corporations has steadily declined over time now why don't these corporate taxes increase with profits is not because tax rates are low in fact the us is one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world at thirty five percent but there is something that has changed dramatically over the past thirty years billions of dollars worth of special tax breaks subsidies and eve

now, i mentioned earlier corporate crime. i did a column on corporate crime back in the early '70s. i wanted to urge nixon to make an issue out of it. remember nixon, nixon's the last president when was afraid of liberals, the last republican president. he still heard the rumble from the people in the '60s, and he just signed like he had an automatic pep. he signed epa, he signed osha, he signed a bill or proposed a health insurance bill that was better than clinton's which the congress didn't pass. he was for voting power for the people of the district of columbia in the congress. he wanted a drug policy that focused op rehabilitation, not incarceration. he actually had an incomes policy as a first step to abolish poverty in the united states. moynihan wrote that for him when he was in the white house. i mean, can you imagine? here we are in 2013 regaling richard nixon. [laughter] i mean, some of you were around then, you say what's going on? what has happened since then, you know? to give that frame of reference. so i have a column on about 12 ways to curb corporate crime. and one

non-profitable corporations they only looked at corporations that showed a profit and said what i want you know what percentage of tax are the pain that the average rate is twelve point six percent around what mitt romney pays what most billionaires pay but it's way higher than the average working person the average median income. tax rate so shouldn't companies making billions of dollars be at least in the same income tax rate as you and me. it seems like it would make sense i haven't looked at the at the study you're you're looking at some i think they play they pay plant plenty of taxes. you know i've never been against them paying taxes and i was never necessarily against the buffett rule what i am against is something like dodd frank which applies all these onerous regulations and sets up a lot of people don't realize that the stimulus was actually created a lot of government agencies it's instead of giving money to businesses which is what i thought it was supposed to be doing it actually said to set up a lot of regulatory agencies that oversee businesses those dodd frank is abou

what message do have for corporate tricare? corporate america? >> a couple of points. flore the compretta rate of low-skilled americans. and the reason illegals are coming up here, they want a better life in a better job but it wanted to appear for a job. you use e-verify. the second point is your college loans. pfft fitcolleges are loading kids up with debt. tie the college loans and the various programs to the degree they're pursuing so you'll get more money to get a storm debris, to get a degree in science and technology. you will earn more when you get out of college. that will put pressure on the colleges to lower their costs. as opposed to keeping all the raise equal. we will give you all the college look you want. we have a trillion dollars a student at -- in student debt. >> old college loan is an issue congress will face. the rate above went up for new lines -- new loans to 6.8%. happen go ahead with your comments. >> i have a question. last month there were five people that got caught -- you're getting a little confused. new your television and go ahead with

democrats and republicans more closely resemble a single party one that stands for and periods and corporate gain yet several political ideologies are gaining traction in the us but have virtually no representation in the political and media establishment so if you've tuned into the show hoping to hear the dueling perspective of democrats and republicans well you've come to the wrong place because today i'll be hosting a discussion with people who represent the voices of a growing alternative will be talking about libertarianism anarchism and socialism very philosophy is gaining momentum as more people are becoming disillusioned with the status quo to talk about everything from the role of government to an ideal society i'm joined now by a brilliant panel and breaking the sets first ever alternative voices debate starting with scott crow author of black flags and windmills and founder of the anarchist common ground collective and peterson production director at freedom works and editor of libertarian republic dot com and eugene per year. former vice presidential candidate of the party for so

because they don't like competition big corporations don't like capitalism if the small businessmen that have to compete in a comedy that don't that are harmed by regulations so if you can talk about regulations i would set them afloat out in the ocean and make them fight for their own profits because what would happen is that the smaller businesses would come in and they would eat their lunch and eugene how do you respond to that well i mean i think the reality is we live in a society where it is correct that monopoly capitalism dominates the whole of the economy but you know as it concerns the banks in the wall street there's significant. regulation already the capital buffer agreements and other things like that are sort of industry regulated things so i think that already exists and we see you know like the california energy example when when deregulation happens on mass there's a significant amount of gaming the system the competition it creates more anarky if you will and create sort of a situation where volatility is introduced in a major way i think ultimately with wall stre

giant corporations are the day. i. i all right we are back with mark levine now you actually are one of the only authors of the patriot act that have ever had the privilege to was talked to so why don't you tell me a little bit about why don't overstate my role after about five pages of a two hundred page bill and in fact the part that i draft is no longer in the bill so i don't want to overstate it but what i wrote was called the frank amendment barney frank my body sponsored it and it was something that actually protected people civil liberties if you were spied on you could take an action to court and get a nominal damages and this is no longer in the patriot act that's why one part of that you wrote is in a lot of rain through protect all civil liberties that's true but the part that let me let me know what's in the actual had to study the entire act and actually my boss a constant frank opposed the bill when it came to the floor of congress interesting thing about the patriot act that most people don't know is tha

that are corporations ok those corporations are corporations are taxed at the personal tax rate which is a ceiling at thirty nine percent i'll give you that now it's going to be this is not on that it's going to be twenty point one k. forty point allowed to actually it doesn't this i haven't looked at the actual plan and i never saw that i'm sorry you didn't i gave you the sales revenue part but ok so you're saying that that's your problem they that's one of the problems so but but one of the problems the infrastructure effort is not necessary and as the president learned there are no shovel ready jobs ready to be operated and put into place iron is there between luge expense and a waste of resources and you guys so you're saying that the republicans don't object to lowering the top tax rate and don't object to closing loopholes i'm fine with closing the loopholes and i do think they should lower the rate ok i am not. republican i don't know what they're for or against but the lowering of the tax rate well along with the closing of loopholes this is the gift thing from seinfeld it oba

corporate tax it all i think it should be zero i want to look at what you look at corporate tax it's basically a double taxation in many cases because you're taxing capital gains and dividends but also you have to remember that cap corporations don't pay taxes they don't pay and they collect them and they pass them on and what happens when you have a corporate taxes you have a choice you you have the absolutely you do because you're taking a cut of what you made an absolute concrete cut and it's a fairly raise you're in i am to pay less now if i'm paying taxes i'm taking that money out of the money that i'm going to give the walmart or i'm going to give the i'm going to give to anybody i buy things from and so i'm not paying taxes actually the corporations are paying taxes because they would have got my money you know i'm taking money out of my landlord when they get now that example they get a logic is complex or something because they pay lower they played lower wages and they cost more for their goods and services so the consumers in the end however it's translated corporations do

if we can bring down the corporate tax rate corporations will have more money available to invest and invest in this country to create jobs over here it will make us more competitive it will keep companies headquartered here in the u.s. rather than see him going on countries we need to ok what he thinks well you and i had this discussion about apple what about a few weeks ago but the problem is not that the corporate tax rates too high the problem is that if you too few corporations are paying their taxes we have let about maybe a third at best corporations paying their taxes and i'll call slowing the rate and you do long as they make that apple is actually playing by the rules here it is the law that they're playing but it is the law but if you're going to change the law and you lower corporate tax rates we need to make sure that every corporation pays them i'm all for lowering it to obama's rate of twenty eight percent or something like that as long as we make ninety percent of corporations pay taxes and thirty percent more money comes into the government it's fair to corporations w

i don't want to lower the corporate tax rate. lefties don't want to lower the corporate tax rate. republicans want to lower the corporate tax rate. that's exactly the kind of thing there's common ground on. >> it depends what you're going to do with it. he wants to broaden the base by letting go of loopholes, then he wants to raise revenue. we don't want to raise taxes. the president wants to raise taxes. that's the difference. >> the concern about raising taxes is an ideological opposition to raising taxes in any way, shape or form? >> no, look, we just fundamentally do not believe that we're one tax increase away from prosperity in this country. and there are lots of things we can do to move the economy forward. look, i am not one. i can't speak for everybody, but i am not one who's going to simply dismiss it because the president offered it. he's the president of the united states. of course i'm going to listen to his ideas. i want him to listen to our ideas as well. it won't be a one-way street. >> the idea is he keeps hearing from the house of representatives as 40 votes to r

corporate tax rate in ireland is 12 1/2%.ve if we don't lower our rates jobs are going to go overseas? >> we definitely need to lower our rates and the president's proposal to move to 28% is a good idea. keep in mind, small businesses outside of c corporate status just had their taxes increased by the president earlier this year. we need to think of business tax reform as a whole, not just corporate taxes. liz: let's put out some of the ideas that the president has proposed just to make sure we clarified that. as you said, lowering the top rate to no higher than 28%. some of the other ideas, simplifying tax filing, increasings incentives to invest in small business. manufacturing tax rate no higher than 25%. the manufacturers are getting even better deal here, glen. >> they do under current law. we don't need special preferences for manufacturers. we need a tax code that makes sense for all business and let business and investors decide what's best. the idea of lowering the corporate rate, great idea but i don't think the pre

democrats and republicans more closely resemble a single party one that stands for and periods and corporate gain yet several political ideologies are gaining traction in the us that virtually no representation in the political and media establishment so if you've tuned into the show hoping to hear the dueling perspective of democrats and republicans well you've come to the wrong place because today i'll be hosting a discussion with people who represent the voices of a growing alternative are we talking about libertarianism anarchism and socialism very philosophy is gaining momentum as more people are becoming disillusioned with the status quo to talk about everything from the role of government to an ideal society i'm joined now by a brilliant panel and breaking the sets first ever alternative voices debate starting with scott crow author of black flags and windmills and founder of the anarchist common ground collective and peterson production director at freedom works and editor of libertarian republic dot com and eugene puryear former vice presidential candidate of the party for socialism

that corporate corporations were paying a third or or or for fairness for tends to focus of our total tax load in this country the average c.e.o. is making thirty times what is an employee of the average employee is making now they're making three hundred four hundred five hundred times what back then corporate dividends were very small dividends were were you know a little coupon amounts we did not add multi-billionaires in this country back then this is a phenomena that has largely emerged since reaganomics and so the first thing that a corporation would do is over but reaganomics why didn't the trend line start to go down in one thousand fifty four yeah well it's it has been on a steady decline ever since well i would say in the modern era corporations have gotten better and better and better at the end of x. code has gotten longer and longer and more complicated you know carl levin was all over making this big fuss about this today you know if he's some innocent bystander who can't do anything about this if he started this that karl rove a. letter started earlier and you know if h

and i was introduced to a number of different corporate aviation divisions at that time.nd it's just a natural progression for me to go into corporate as opposed to airline. >> the entry level pilot time requirements for chartright is a thousand hours. but for adam and wayne, this is just one of the many things they look for in a potential pilot. >> virtually all pilots can fly an aircraft. so when somebody comes in the door, what we're looking for is the ability to manage the aircraft. >> as a corporate aviation flight department, you don't have the resources on the ground at every station you fly into that an airline would have. so, for instance, when air canada flies to st. john's newfoundland, they have a station at st. john's newfoundland with support with engineers and ground staff, et cetera. we fly to newfoundland, we rely on a third-party handler to do our handling. so you've got to be thinking on your feet. today's flight is a perfect example-- is the weather. here in toronto right now we're experiencing the largest snowstorm we've had this winter. we had to go

need to take multinational corporations out of the picture also because there's no real free market in this in this country you have you have basically you know private property private profits but subsidize risk and we don't talk about that we talk about free markets but what i want to do is take the long term it took hundreds of years for us to build up to the power dynamics that we have today and what i want to do is unwind all of those that we don't rely on government so we don't rely on corporations to do all these things and we start to build and exercise power from below and that is localized economies built solidarity mutual aid where people rely on governments for handouts that they start to work on food security themselves create community gardens create victory gardens create community supported agriculture these small scale things creating our own health care if there's a nationalized health care fine but we need to localize health care because those people who still fall through that net for real all of these things we start to rebuild the infrastructure and civil society