mr. clancy as an agent. i think the agency needs and outside tough administrator -- director. what is your opinion about all of that? sec. johnson: first, you are correct march 4th incident is under investigation. what i know about that incident so far, the facts are not all in yet, what i know about that incident makes me very upset especially given the prior string of incidents. i have seen the videotape of what happened. i have personally been to the southeast gate to look over the scene, look at the orange barrel that was moved out of the way. it upsets me. i have a lot of confidence in joe clancy to deal with the matters of discipline and instilling discipline in his rank and file. you are correct that the independent panel recommended an outsider. we had joe in place as an acting. he, to his credit, came out of retirement and came back to the secret service, an agency he loves, to help clean this organization up. while he was acting, he made some really tough personnel choices and changes in the senior levels of people he had known for years. so that impressed me and the president as someone who has the ability to think independently and make har