california, where i believe the largest union is not the teachers' association, but the correctional officers association what does that say about a society? when people find out about that, they are stunned. but that is the reality. that is what is playing on people's minds, fear, prejudice, ignorance. >> this also points to the fact of what we have to do in each individual case. that is what you're up against. and when you are in trial, the priority is your client, which is different from broadcast journalism, television drum up. -- drama. >> but you cannot turn a blind eye to it. >> that question is deeply troubling when you look at certain cases. there are certain cases where it is a no-win situation. the robert blake case, when jerry managed to do was truly a lesson for trial lawyers across the board. the casey anthony case, now in florida. you have to think to yourself, how does she win a case like that? any casewh/vñ that received nationwide attention is lost before you walk into the courtroom. it then becomes your job to turn around. there is a presumption of guilt on any client and then you add

correction officers. i'm not denying that at all. he has to be realistic also, a lot of cell phones, dope, tobacco, it comes from family members and close friends and associatesin to visit. they hide the stuff in body cavities and they do -- i mean, like religion all the time. so, you just can't place the blame on the correction officer or the dirty staff member. yeah, we've got those. but a lot of it comes through -- majority comes through the visitation. >> if i'm a family member, jerry, and i try to smuggle in a cell phone and i get caught, what's the penalty for me? >> you will be prosecuted. >> for what? >> for attempting to -- to smuggle contraband into an institution. >> i could end up in prison? >> absolutely. >> what kind of sentence do you get for that? what's my risk? >> well, there's a lot of factors, if you've ever had a charge before or conviction, you can go anywhere from one to three years. if you never have been convicted of a felon before, you may just get parole -- or probation. >> crime in prison. our remaining moments with our guests right after this. t of yo. fight it with new... it combines extra strength bayer aspirin to treat pain plu