jerome corsi is sort of scholarly. a harvard ph.d.hese, i say this respectfully, awful books about john kerry in the -- you know, the swift boating. he wrote the swift boat book in 2004. wrote these terrible, dishonest books about barack obama. the obama-nation, a birther book, where is the birth certificate, and, you know, but he writes these books. roger stone, as people probably remember, is this flamboyant political activist, dirty trick specialist going back to the nixon days. and but they found common cause trying to find out what was going on with wikileaks in the summer of 2016. >> and at one time, they were friends and associates, and now they're arch enemies because of all of this? >> they're arch enemies. fast forward as people may remember a couple weeks ago, roger stone was indicted by -- in the mueller investigation for lying to the house intelligence committee. corsi is, obviously, the chief witness against him. and that has led to a falling out between them. and just last week, right before my deadline, corsi sued ston

sheet, and i see it -- >> but why are we seeing a draft of a charge sheet and not an indictment of corsied it. corsi is now saying and cooperating in the sense of pub lib lick licly saying it is a difference between politics of understanding what is in the public record right now and understand tlg is enouthat ther enough smoke that any lawyer could establish the facts. if i'm a democrat in congress right now, one of the crimes i would be trying to find predicates to establish is that the engagement with russia on e-mails, there is collusion. there is also additional campaign finance violations of get ug things of value from foreign government. that is a separate crime, so that is something they should be asking michael cohen. >> you added another dish to our buffet. >> stanley michael, what would you do with the information and the evidence that we have seen up until now? what would you do with a news conference like that. something akin to that. >> michael you go first. >> thank you, i think miya is right, he was asking people to commit a crime. if wikileaks could not get the e-mails,

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corsi, jerome corsi has said that he believes he's going to be indicted, but he so far has not. there was a lot of talk about don jr., but don jr.'s name has never come up in any of the -- or at least don jr. has not been indicted. from what you were asked and what you can tell us, without violating any agreements you made with the special counsel, what do you see happening? >> i can't imagine that the special counsel is not going to release something that shows a road map for the house to investigate a conspiracy to answer it as a political question. >> impeachment, you mean? >> correct, for articles of impeachment. there is no way that in light of even what we've seen in these indictments, which you've reported on, you've seen the way that they've gone very systemically, from the russian, the private russians, to the russian gru, to even roger, mentioning roger, getting to the edge of the campaign vis-a-vis bannon and manafort or gaetz, e gates, we don't know who roger was in contact with earlier in july. i can't imagine that information won't become political. and i think the

jerome corsi says evidence it was not a coincidence and someone from the campaign texted him "well done" after emails posted. the question is did stone make that happen? a member of the house judiciary committee. do you believe the president when he denies he ever instructed roger stone to get involved in wikileaks? >> thank you, chris, for that question. donald trump has lied thousands of times on matters great and small. i'm a former prosecutor and what was interesting to me about the roger stone indictment is that special counsel mueller included information totally unnecessary to the actual charges. so this sentence that a senior trump advisor wdirected to contact stone was very unnecessary. it sends a signal there's someone pretty high up in on this culugsz. >> i want to read what the president had to say about the special counsel investigation and the sdny investigation. and whether you think he's telling the truth and what it would mean if he was. >> what do you make of that? >> well, again donald trump lies all the time. so it's unclear how much stock we can can put into his den

why did they send jerome corsi a draft indictment of him but never indict jerome corsi?'s stuff happening behind the scenes there that we just don't know. where the investigation is going. i'm being honest. >> we appreciate your honesty. if you can stand by for me. there's breaking news that is coming in. the democratic chairman of the house oversight committee is calling into questions statements made by the president's attorneys. i want to get details. let's bring in manu raju. tell us about this. >> reporter: elijah cummings, the democratic chairman of the house oversight committee says in a letter that he obtained information showing that attorneys representing the president may have given false information to federal ethics officials regarding the circumstances of the payments -- the hush money payments that went to stormy daniels to silence the alleged affair that she had with the president, silence the stories, right before the 2016 election. according to cummings, he says documents he received shows that information provided to the officials from the office of go

there are a whole bunch of pieces, corsi and stone.orget as well we know that federal prosecutors in manhattan in the southern district of new york are looking at the inaugural committee, the relationship with ami, the publisher of the "national enquirer," donations, hush money or payments to trump paramours through michael cohen. we know that the new york state attorney general's office has an investigation. so mueller may write a report. he may send that to bill barr, but that doesn't end the larger criminal investigation. >> in terms of what mr. barr may receive from mueller, again, if this reporting is accurate, and a lot of this reporting in the past has been inaccurate. this point in -- this alleged point in the process has been predicted many times now and they've been wrong every time. but if this is going to happen, it seems to me the end of the range of what we might expect from mr. barr is that we get what he describes as his summary of mueller's report. it lists all the people who have been indicted. it says my declination

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and one of the things corsi has said is that roger called jerome corsi before, on the friday, before post" put out the "access hollywood" tape saying they're looking into whether or not roger spoke to the trump campaign that day, that i know for a fact. >>> all right, we'll have to leave it there and keep watching it. thank you very much. up next my final thoughts, stay with us. up next my final thoughts, stay with us. not having a good breakfast can make you feel like your day never started. get going with carnation breakfast essentials®. it has protein, plus 21 vitamins and minerals including calcium and vitamin d, to help your family be their best. carnation breakfast essentials®. but how do i know ifly i'm i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car so i know if i'm getting a great price. this is how car buying was always meant to be. this is truecar. at panera, we treat soup differently. with vine ripened tomatoes, signature cheddar, simmered to perfection. with big fla

allegedly committing the crime to correct the corsi channel but telling everybody about credico? my hope is mueller knows and one day he'll inform the rest of us. but i think the trump tower meeting revelation might be more important. because that gets to the issue of whether trump himself knew that the kremlin was trying to help his campaign. not whether they got dirt or not. it came with with an email but this is part of a kremlin plan to help trump. who saw that? trump jr. and paul manafort. they were told russia wants to help them. now they kept saying no russian intervention and trump said the same thing that if he knew about that meeting, he knew the russians were up to something to help him and he lied to the public through the rest of the campaign. >> first oall of cohen's testimony, of course donald trump micromanaged all this stuff and persuasive. my take away is of course all these people knew what they were doing. the kremlin knows what donald trump's doing when he says please hack the emails. and at least he's a strong leader for his country and we can probably drop

you got the corsi piece of litigation out there, you've got miller who was sued doing it.here's a lot of loose ends here. why now? the only reason is, rod rosenstein is about to resign. but -- and rosenstein has been the gatekeeper and the protector of the mueller investigation, but bob bar is now in the attorney general seat and barr is a principled man, a very serious mainstream lawyer and he's also an old friend of bob mueller's. they served together in the bush 41 justice department. bob barr described him as, quote, a good friend in his confirmation hearings. i think mueller even attended barr's daughter's weddings. so mueller should trust barr to handle the report properly. why do it now? it doesn't quite fit for me. but it could be true. >> there were way more than enough quotes in what nelson just said for a dandy ap piece on the mueller investigation. but let's keep this in context, jill. even if these reports are correct that it is coming to a rapid end, you've got everything else, you have a democratic controlled house of representatives and you have these spin-

remember jerome corsi showed a plea he was given and no charges against corsi.ut the mueller report is imminent and we all wait and see. >> indeed. we've been waiting a very, very long time. let's hope we get a chance to see it. ken dilanian, thank you very much for jumping in the chair. forgive me, we're going to nbc's leon caldwell. she's in carolina where the election board is going to decide if there's going to be another election after absentee ballot fraud. the candidate who was declared the winner now wants a new election? >> kasie, it was a stunning development in this situation where there's a month-long investigation, a four-day hearing but at the end of this lunch break that went into closed session, the candidate, the republican candidate mark harris came out and said he wants a new election. he was the unofficial winner of this election by 905 votes. but this election has been tainted with this -- or absentee ballot scandal and that's what this entire investigation was about. so what's happening right now in the room behind me is the north carolina

you know about credico and corsi and you didn't call them. i'm not hanging this on you, chris. to be honest, you are willing to come on and answer hard questions and i always tell my audience you deserve a pat on the back for that and i know you weren't calling the shots, but i'm saying, you didn't call credico or corsi, the committee, not nunez. you could have. if you were curious about this you would have found the same things evident in the indictment. >> i reject your assumption that we weren't curious about that. of course we were. we called hundreds of witnesses. we had 330,000 pages plus of documents provided to us. you could name dozens of people on this that we didn't call because at the time we had no reason to call them because there was no indication that there was collusion or that there was other nepharious activity taking place. i want to make this point because i have been trying to for a little bit now. that is roger stone, five counts of lying to our committee, five counts of witness tampering, one count of witness tampering, one count of impeding the investig

and that's the draft offense for jero jerome corsi.hat the mueller team says is that roger stone is an agent of the campaign, right? in other words, he is working -- he may not be paid, but he's actually working for the campaign as he is trying to get these e-mails. and that he is reporting that back. so it is also potentially corroborated in that draft defense. now, that again to your point, that draft defense wasn't filed, so whether or not that would have changed, there are a lot of pieces of information here that suggests this is a big deal. >> as you know, there's an old saying in law school. we had so much evidence, we didn't even have time for jerome corsi up in here. because that stuff which of course i've had both him and person two on this show, does speak again to mueller pursuing the evidence he was lying. that makes it look like there might be an actual potential case against donald trump for lying to bob mueller. which is quite a crime. i want to also show for your analysis, brand new tonight from julian assange. roger st

that means some kind of confirmation of the work with stone, possibly corsi and others.i find it very hard to believe that we're going to have only something that bare boned and that short. moreover, there are those two inflection points but the regs permit a much more expansive treatment and i think mueller and barr both, who will probably talk about this together, by the way. it won't just be bureaucratic, will be inclined to give more rather than less. >> i would never bet on robert mueller talking publicly. i can just see a scenario where barr does some of the storytelling. >> look at the report when -- before when he was in private practice, 100 pages -- i don't know if he will talk-talk, but i think he'll write. >> he will speak through his documents. i want to ask you this question about the politics for republicans again. there's a question on the table about -- about donald trump's role in this russia question. i think when it was just can you connect him to the campaign collusion, that was one thing. but as president, the fbi had enough evidence to open a full

. >>> another ro corsy we're looking at tonight involves a big fashion brand. burberry apologizing fo a hoodie with a draw string that appears to look like a noose. warning, the product has been criticized as both offensive and insensitive. nbc's lucy kavanaugh has the story. >> reporter: fashion might be about taking risks, but tonight another luxury brand is facing backlash for taking tight far. caurberry under fire for shng a hoodie at london fashion week, called out by one of its own models, write suicide is not fashion. it is beyond me how you can have a noose hanging from a neck out on the runway. adding, let's not foet about the horrifying history of lynching either. burberry says the design was inspired by a nautical theme, but now realizes it was insensitive. the company apologized and removed the product and all imthes featured it. >> apologies are not enough when it comes to making racism a fashion trend. >> reporter: last week, katy perry brand yanked a pair of shoes from its website black face.ons to gucci apologizing and removing this $890 turtlen

prosecutions he cares to do i don't think there's even any more coming they're going to work out with stone corsi in a few others and then they're going to be done shift sees this is an election opportunity not as a fact finding one and he wants to make sure that a democrat is in the white house next year and that the democrats retain control of both houses of card game control both houses and retain control of the house of representatives he's not interested in finding the facts he's interested in winning an election and so he's going to tell you there's no collusion but it's obvious there is collusion we'll just have to live with the fact that it's not enough collusion to prosecute anybody but it's enough to. witness that it's their course he doesn't tell you what it is but but he does observe that it's there whatever whatever it is that's why i get questioned the quality of water california i just don't know what he's drinking so the molar probe has been running for almost two years now it is not by any stretch of imagination. as long as other probes have been in the past but people are wantin

mark herring becoming the third high-ranking virginia democrat to become embroiled in ro corsy since last friday. tonight with governor ralph northam still clinging to power after his own blackface admission, virginia's lieutenant governor continues to deny a separate accusation against him. our geoff bennett with the latest now from richmond. >> reporter: tonight cn the former capital of tfederacy, two scandals reopening old wods on race and a claim of sexual assault throwing the commonwealth's leadership into crisis. virginia attorney general mark herring now admits he too once wore blackface. herring, in a statement of apology, says in 1980, he and a group of college friends put on what he called wigs and brown makeup to attend a party dressed like rappers we listened to at the time. just days after n governor raltham apologized for his own blackface scandal. this racist photo on okis med school yearage. northam now denies being in the photo while recalling and regretng having darkened his skin to dress up like michael jackson for a dance contt in 1984. >> i'm shocked and incredib

the state's top elected officials are embroiled in potentially caroer-ending corsy. the president spoke about ralph rrtham. you will recall thist photos were found in his waarbook page. northam denies hin the photo. here's what the president had to say about the scandal. >> so, in virginia, the governor, he's got ay ittle publictely. i like him. he keeps us out of the papers. i like him. >> governor northam is vowing to stay in office, in the midst of th scandal. >>> the woman accusing lieutenant governor justin fairfax of sexual assault will be speaking at a symposium trday. it is focusing on ayal and courage in the era. she says that fairfax assaulte her at the democratic convention g, boston. as for mark herre is staying out of the spotlight, since admitting he dressed in blackface when he was in college in 1980. >>> a 23-year-old man was shot and killed in an ambush. >> a gunman targeted terrell caldwell as he came out of his home on saturday morning. you can seele the b holes in the walls. they say caldwell was shot five times at his front door. neighbors say th

. >> corsi. >> did it work for him. this idea that it's great to get press no matter what? >> no, and i wonder if this hearing did him a favor in pointing out that your shenanigans where not fly in court. your spin that you use in the media and online won't work here. i wonder if his lawyers are rethinking their legal strategy because stone intends to fight all seven counts against him. >> and you're using the worth strategy loosely? >> we see him on the stand. didn't go for him very well. >> my special thanks to shelby and nick for being here. david corn, if i have an andrew mccabe interview, would you be willing to stick around and give reaction? >> i think i can do that. >> that was pre-planned, everyone. >>> up ahead, former acting fbi director andrew mccabe. he has been talking a lot. we'll get into it, i'll talk mueller report obstruction, what he expects to come out and i'll press him on legal issues on "the beat" tonight. also, this is new, michael cohen spotted on capitol hill days before what his lawyers totted as the john dean moment that could haunt donald trump

trump tower meeting, what was going on with wikileaks, what was going on with roger stone and jerome corsi and that crowd. that's the investigation most people think about. that is underway as well. >> and then there is the president himself, obstruction of justice, comey firing, reported in michael cohen's testimony. there are lots of ties of did the president block an investigation, was he trying to speak to potential witnesses who could have cooperated with robert mueller and that is obviously what robert mueller is working on. now -- >> what was the motivation for firing jim comey, was it about the investigation or he didn't like jim comey. >> and there were several major issues facing america that did not seem to find their way into president trump's state of the union address. among them, the government shutdown. as another possible shutdown is looming, it could be next friday. we didn't hear much on gun violence as we approach the anniversary of the parkland school shooting. and climate change. as scientists are warning us of the dangers that could be coming to our planet, remember

might be interested not just in looking and charging someone like roger stone, also remember jerome corsi, that's a draft plea agreement hanging out there. he hasn't been charged. the reason why this might be of interest is it might indicate they are making the step toerwas a conspiracy charge. >> my question then is, if they have some sort of proof, which we don't know, because we're waiting to see where these dots are connected. if they have proof he was involved in a conspiracy or has knowledge of it, would there be a reason to not charge him with that? it's lying and other subsequent charges. >> right. the big reason is whether or not they are prepared ed to make t case public and whether there are other targets they aren't prepared to tip their hand. >> you have to keep in mind that -- special counsel's office said this and fbi said this and intelligence officials that they are working operations. they are working investigations. the russians are continuing to still want to hack and interfere in our election. there could be elements of this that they do not want to reveal. it could r

other witnesses like jerome corsi have been talking to. but not credico.full interview but here at "the beat." our cameras did catch up to him at a put itting location. this is his first televised remark since he was indicted. and when he said would take the dog away from credi krrbs o, he claims it was only to take better care of her because he allegedly mistreats her. >> i think they should fall back because beoncau is one of the best treated dogs in the count ra. she gets cleaned every couple of weeks and she only eats chicken, sir loin and salmon. that's her diet. people should stop saying in social media that this dog is mistreated. she's in great health. these are rumors, lies being spread by bad people. and i've had to come out today, just get her cleaned and say to them please stop it. >> and with all the news about wiby leaks, he's one of the only people to interview julian assange in 2016. see we made sure to ask him for a full interview. >> if i do an interview, it will definitely be on "the beat" as long as they stop calling me an associate of

days after the dnc leak happened, you had conversation between cohen -- not cohen, stone and jerry corsi, when he said we have to figure out a way to get to assange, i understand there may be another disclosure of e-mails and it relates to the clinton foundation. now, if stone had a way to contact assange directly by phone and was aware, what it was that they had and were going to put out, there would be no reason to work with him days after dnc hack to say how are we going to get in touch with assange and we have to figure out what he has and if it's the clinton foundation. it seems to me that whatever, cohen's story today is obviously sensational and explosive and grabbing people's attention. but understand, he told this story to the southern district of new york and mueller, not only did they not inpart it in the stone indictment, what is in the stone indictment is inconsistent with his story. >> dana: take a listen, we have a sound bite, number 65, if you byes could pull that up, i want andy to listen to this and respond. it business the southern district of new york. >> is there any

there are smaller ones, like jerome corsi. he expects to be indicted. and bigger fish, as well. both on the indictment front and then you have questions about what's the report going to say? and the like. >> and i want to get to that. sol, rudy giuliani said he hasn't heard from the special counsel's office in about a month since they turned in the answers to the questions. the lack of communication, should that make the president nervous? >> i don't think it should make him nervous. but in answer to one of your questions to neal, i think that -- it's difficult for me to imagine that let's take donald trump jr. if mueller was going to indict donald trump jr., it's difficult for me to imagine that he would wait until after a report was filed to do that. so -- i think -- once that report is filed, you know -- there won't be any more indictments from mueller's shot. as opposed to southern district of new york. >> that's a different story? >> that's a different story. keep in mind, there are a lot of people who have been indicted and people have pled guilty. but given mueller's orig

what makes this case even more bizarre is the judge has weighed in and said jerome corsi, the conspiracyo is now a witness or perhaps even another target of this investigation is allowed to weigh in on the gag order. he wants to see roger stone getting a gag order. >> interesting. interesting the comment isn't that it's untrue, it's decontextualized. an interesting comment in and of itself. thank you. >>> next, michelle obama getting a reality check from her mother. this is not a bed. it's a revolution in sleep. the sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now, from $899, during the ultimate sleep number event. it senses your movement, and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. it even helps with this. so you wake up ready to hit the ground running. only at a sleep number store. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, 24-month financing on all smart beds. only for a limited time. sleep number. proven, quality sleep. >>> here's jeanne. >> reporter: you know how everyone's always making fun of mom texts? >> what do you think a unicorn sounds like? >> rep

jerome corsi is someone also who thought he was going to be charged.t see charges against him unless he's cooperating and only if there's evidence to support that. so i think there are a few loose ends that remain for robert mueller. so i don't know that the report is imminent but it may be winding down sometime in the coming months. >> quickly, i looked at a daily beast article you wrote in which you say because of the justice department's policy against indicting a sitting president, that the most serious consequence the trump can face is impeachment. but the president will not be in office forever. how do the statutes of limitation come into play. >> might the president face charges when he leaves office? >> he could face charges when he leaves office because the reason behind that policy or opinion from the department of justice not to charge a sitting president is because it would be too distracting for the president to be dealing with defending himself while also leading the country. once he leaves office, of course, that problem no longer exists

former stone ally jerome corsi says mueller has evidence the timing was not a coincidence. and the roger stone indictment says someone texted him well done after the e-mails were posted. joining me now congressman ted liu of california. i think i know the answer but i will ask it anyway, congressman, do you believe the president when he denies he ever instructed roger stone to get involved with wikileaks? >> thank you, chris, for that question. donald trump has lied thousands of times on matters both great and small. i don't think we can take his denial to mean very much. i'm a former prosecutor, and what was interesting to me about the roger stone indictment is that special counsel mueller included information in there totally unnecessary to the actual charges. the sentence that a senior trump adviser was directed to contact stone, that was directed -- that was not necessary and i think it's very interesting that mueller included it because it sends a signal there that is somebody pretty high up that was in on this collusion. >> i want to play you what the president had to