report in the industry that used to be here that seems to have been lost to boston, portland, cortlandportlandia, and other pn the country. >> right now we have a city that has begun to open festivals. the more we do that, the easier it is to bring those events that draw people from all around the country. that is helpful, in one respect. yes, this city has had a long history of being a magnet for music lovers, all the way back to the 1962. the summer of love was a huge industry. it could never happen again, i think, because the permitting issues. many of these festivals, including golden gate park or anything outdoors, general -- generally run into permitting problems. fees make these events nearly impossible to continue. having worked on hardly strictly bluegrass prior in my career, that festival was constantly battling the issues of restrictions with fee increases in the park and so on, where these are sources of funding -- obviously the parts need funding, but to go after the people who are generating a lot of revenue for the city, hitting them for small amounts of money compared to their ec