my predecessor, governor corzine, stood on the front steps of the capital at a public sector union rally and said, "i'll fight to get you a good contract." i thought to myself last night, who is he fighting with? once he says that the fight is over. what i believe in is true adversarial collective bargaining. every state is different. i'm not going to micromanage wisconsin from trenton, new jersey. i know scott walker. i like him. i trust him. i think he's doing what's in the best interest of wisconsin the same way i'll do what's best for new jersey, which is to reform the pension system and roll back health benefits to put them more in line with the rest of the population in new jersey, to put us on a long-term path to fiscal stability. >> schieffer: what about this idea? do they have a right to collective bargaining? >> listen, all these rights are legislatively created. they didn't come down from tablets at the top of a mountain. so political things change and go back and forth. every state is going to make their own determination on that. wisconsin is in the middle of making that det