we saw himitted, gap, and cosco miss comps.me, it shows there's a strained consumer out there, regardless whether the s & p is 1.5% back to its all time highs. it will make an all time high in the next couple weeks with f we have a resolution, underlying the consumer in the states seemed tapped. >> we saw this the last time we had this debt ceiling issue. >> well, so we have all of the headline news things, that's not going to improve. one of the other things that could improve sentiment, one of them $8 be falling unemployment, rising participation, other signs of real economic strength. so consumers really need to see that. they need to see incomes rising, make sure the government is working. they don't have either. i don't see any reason why people should expect consumers to be out there spending like crazy. the only thing they are spending on, are those things where they think they are taking advantage of a discount they are getting right now. low interest rates, i run out and buy a car, things like section 179 deductions, t