for those who haven't listened to it, father coughlin, who was he? big was his audience, really? i mean, he what spreading this fascistic anti-semitic rhetoric. apparently, he had a lot of followers. >> oh, yeah. he's someone in the pofd cast you might have heard about before. father coughlin, maybe if you've never heard of him, but anyone in the cast of characters he's one. he's a parish church. he's not high up. he starts doing this radio broadcast in the church. he starts out as a fdr new-dealer. he turns against fdr and the new deal and turns really, really right. he turns against democracy. he writes fan mail to mussolini. he said that america should follow the franco way. we should have a franco-style take over with a hunt taking over by violence and by force. and he essentially tries to rally his followers to rise up against the u.s. government because it's been taken over by the jews and the communists which he sees as one and the same. and just the anti-semitic seditious demagogue. there's only 130 million americans in the country at the tim

you know father coughlin maybe never heard of him.anyone -- i mean this cast of characters, he's the one. he's a parish priest. he's not up in the higher core of the catholic church. he starts off doing these radio broadcast from his parish in royal oak, michigan. he starts off as an fdr and new dealer. and he turns against fdr any ties against the new deal, and he turns really, really hard right. he turns against democracy. and he praises mussolini, he writes fan mail to mussolini -- >> as one does, when what is turned -- >> he says america should pursue the franco way, meaning the we should have a franco style dictatorship here. i take over in the sort of -- takeover by violence and by force. and he eventually, essentially tries to rally his followers to rise up violently against the u.s. government because it's been taking over by the jews. and the communists. which he sees as one in the same. and it's just this antisemitic facistic demagogue. and he's doing this at a time where his radio audience is, depending on the estimate that

like huey long and crazy lunatic racists like charles coughlin. the this it really effective because it allowed them huey long had claimed to have 7 million members in his our wealth societies and. nbc was giving him a platform and every week to go on the radio and basically say we're going to confiscate these fortunes. huey long, a guy who said and people accuse him of being a dictator he darn near was the dictator of louisiana. he here's a guy who tried to hold both the governorship and the senate seat of the same state at the same time. but huey long he said, you know, somebody said, call you a dictator. he said, well, if i perfectly the wishes of the people wouldn't that look an awful lot like a dictatorship and at a time in the 1930s where a lot of americans. joseph kennedy the future president's father and ambassador to the court of saint james charles lindbergh, henry ford, a lot of people were of a mind that the american concept, american was finished right. was an it was an archaic system would not work anymore. we needed modern, effectiv

radio was great for dirtbags like you a long and racists like charles coughlin. it was really effective because it allowed them -- you a long claim to have 7 million members in his well society and nbc was giving him a pot farm each and every week on the radio to basically say we are going to the confiscate -- and people accused him of being a dictator and he darned near was a tater in louisiana. here's a guy who tried to hold the governorship in the senate seed at the same time. q. we long somebody said pupil call you a dictator and he'd say i've heard the wishes of the people and wouldn't that look like a dictatorship and in the 1930s a lot of americans joseph kennedy the future president's father and ambassador to the court of st. james charles limburg henry ford, a lot of people were of the mind that the american concept americanism was finished. it was an archaic system that would not work anymore. we needed modern effective efficient government. progressivism promise these things the united states at the time but there was also on the right let's get over t

the pressure on the justice department i mean, when coughlin calls it a hoax.all cap, but we're otherwise there. there's another moment where the nazi agent who is working with a u.s. senator writing to him when it looks like they're going to be exposed, tells him, the witch hunt is on. the rsonance is there. you cannot avoid it. but when it comes to world war ii, when it comes to the holocaust, the nazis, there's no making comparisons and i'm not trying to do that. i'm not talking about something that's nazi-like today, i'm talking about actual nazis in their day the way they were acting. but we've told ourselves a lot of very happy stories about how we were unified as a country heading into world war ii and it was always clear that we fight that war and we beat them and it was clear what side we'd be on. there were a lot of americans that wanted us to be on the other side in that fight and we should know that. >> i mean, the -- you know, i started the hour with josh shapiro and the attacks in "the new york times" from mastriano and, you know, do you think tha

there will be some heavy rain streaming across ireland into the irish sea western passes. coughlin well sinks in wet weather down towards the southwest approaches. western aries of france also very disturbing. notice cloud and rain coming back into spain and portugal as we go through the next couple days for northern africa, it is generally try. we got a few showers slipping their way into northern parts of libya. may be the chat northern areas of egypt. plenty of showers across central africa was to go through the next day or 2, pushing across towards the gulf of guinea still somewhere, whether they're across southern parts of west africa, including nigeria. ah, a ah, ah, ah, no. oh, i'll come back. look at the main stories of following now, the death toll from a crowd surgeon, the south. glean capital has risen to a 146. now the 150 people were injured. many of them seriously. i was celebrating halloween, but it's not known. what caused the crush? roger is saying it's suspending its participation in the un broken brain export deal with ukraine. offshore attacks on it ships in crimea.

the commonwealth of independent states coughlin stana, and he said that he doesn't see any need for any meeting with the president biden. during the g 20 summit in, in bali next month. and that seems to be a, you turn on the statements made on wednesday by he's a foreign minister, sergey lover of who was asked about this particular event quality. and he said, but a rush is open for any proposals from the other side. if they receive any proposals, they would study them and he doesn't see any reason why such a meeting can't happen if they receive a request for it. but also we have to remember that the u. s. president joe biden, the day before on tuesday, he made it clear in an interview with sin and but he doesn't have any plans to meet with her present putting deductions receive that statement. her belatedly, a little bit late and the responded on it or to day by president put in. but it is clear that the 2 leaders have now made it are clear that are the they're not intending to meet each other present by the new his statements. on tuesday he said it unless president put in comes to him

you also talk about at pretty good length about 1930s and rise of radio and huey long and father coughlin. tell us how those were broken. anything we can glean from the way that those populist mediaia fueled moments passed that might give us something here in 2022 when we're still smack dab in the middle of a populist political moment? >> guest: so radio, the rise of radio was really good for bad people. adolf hitler was aided enormously by the rise of radio so that his speeches couldoa be broadcast around germany, around the world. radio was great for dirtbags like huey long and crazy lunatic racists like charles coughlan. it was really effective because it allowed them --ed huey long had, , claim tomi have 7 million members in his share of wealth societies, and nbc was giving him a platform each and every week to go on the radio and basically say we're going to confiscate these fortunes huey long a guy who said, people accuse him of being addicted to compete darned it was the dictator of louisiana. here's a guy to try to hold both the governorship and the senate seat of the same state a

on that you have an interview with james bennett, the former opinion editor, fired after the tom coughline of the big questions for the times is they have been essentially trying to reel the brand back in since the summer of 2020 they also had the huge symbolic moments firing the public editor i think the question is can they essentially quietly shift the brand back to center or to big symbolic moments define it >> were you surprised how out spoken james bennett was >> i wasn't. >> those were scathing comments. >> i was glad he went on the record >> what did he say >> i can imagine >> i think he felt personally betrayed by the publisher and also made a point of saying some people reported falsely he apologized for publishing the op-ed. he had not. >> i'm gratified that you seem to concede that maybe there could be some move back to the center at your old employer. if you admit it -- that's the first step of recovery >> andrew knows this much better than me. it is trying to do a lot of things >> andrew, the world is looking at the way things are going this is insane. that's why i can't sta