my name is charles cox. he says, yeah, charles cox is a bad person so you need to change your name.x is a bad person? oh, my daddy. >> reporter: josh had done everything he could to keep chuck and judy away from his sons. now they had the upper hand. >> my clients believe it is very harmful for these children to have been in the home of steven powell, who is deeply involved with pornography. >> reporter: at this hearing last september, josh powell represented himself in family court, denied any knowledge of his father's alleged crimes, promised to keep the boys away from steven, should the elder powell somehow make bail. but here you could almost see josh unraveling. >> i am a fit and qualified father. i am the natural father. i love my sons. and the manner in which they -- the manner in which they were behaving leads me to believe that the irreparable harm that is occurring to my sons is having taken them out of the stable and happy home. >> reporter: but then a prosecutor told the judge that so far only a small portion of the evidence had been examined and, while josh powell hadn'

susan cox-powell. cox-powell. roaring flames, thick smoke and sh.the aftermath of an explosion -- one that authorities say josh powell ignited, to kill himself and his two oung sons.sheriff's deputies say it appears powell sent an e-mail shortly before the fire, saying, quote "i'm sorry, good-bye.""this is ll on him. he set this up. he did it. he is the one who started the firr." investigators say a fosserrcare case worker brought powell's two boys to this pierce couuty, washington home on suuday, for a supervised visit.as the children got lose to the door, powell dragged them inside, and locced the case fiery blast leveeed the hoose. "when we first came out, there was, um, white stuff flying around everywhere."it happenee just days after powell was denied custodyyof his boys by a washington judge, who ruled they should remain with their grandparents.police say powell was a pprson of interest in the case of his missing wife. susan cox-powell hasn't been seen since december 2009, in &putah.a month after she vanishe

cory cox has been a deputy sheriff for seven years.spent a lot of late nights cruising the utah roads with one eye out for emergencies, for drunks or for speeders like this one. >> i saw this vehicle approaching me, you know. it looked like it was going really fast. so i turned my radar on and got it on radar at 95 miles an hour in a 55-mile-an-hour zone. i was thinking that this is going to be a drunk driver, somebody trying to get home, somebody just trying to have fun. >> deputy cox quickly turns around and starts to chase the speeder, practically burning up the highway. >> it was a dangerous pursuit. they were going so fast and by the time i got up to speed i could barely see them. >> they're racing toward the county line so cox calls weber county for backup. >> so i called to the next county ahead and had officers waiting for them. and then they hit a hill and i was able to catch up to them. >> finally, the pursued vehicle slows, stops. as deputy cox approaches the waiting car, he realizes someone in the car is either terrified or

it is the cox family's greatest fear realized. their missing daughter's husband nnw accused of killing his wo boys, ann himself. police say it happened in josh powell'ss seattle-area home on unday afternoon. the boys, five-year- old braden aad sevvn-year-old charlie, at their father's hoose for a scheduled visit. once iisidee police sayypowell used a hatchet on thh kids. says both boys had neck injurres before dying off carbon monoxide poisoning..the home... doused with gasoline and set ablaze. police say it was a delibeeate act.he had taken boxes f toys and books and donated them to the goodwill sometime over the weekend so his is definitely a deliberate, planned out event. the boys' mother, susan cox-powell,,disappeared in 2009. her husband josh was a rime suspect. last week, a judge ruled that the boys should remain with susanns parents. susan's sister saidda recent change in the boys, may have puuhed josh powell over the how they were being close to us and shutting down on him, and the way they were opening losing control, he

. >> they have to know this is extraordinarily offensive to the cox family and that the cox family isot going to stand for the murderer being buried next to the victim. >> that fight is now headed off to court. ann bremner is one of the attorneys representing the fam life susan cox. as we've been following this story about susan powell and susan and josh, they were married when she vanished in 2009. until the day that josh died he was the only suspect in all of this. how does susan's family feel about this latest development and how do they feel about the efforts to keep josh's remains away from the boys' graves? >> just when it couldn't get any worse you feel like in this case and the cox family feels like, it does. susan goes missing, they can't find her. all of these efforts to find susan cox powell, of course, the horrible deaths of these boys, set on fire with the hatchet. you know, empg elverything else. and then to add insult to injury, the worse case any of us has ever seen, this. which is, the murderer being buried next to his victims. so the family, of course, was outraged.

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esta madre de 14 anos de edad, desaparecio anoche de su casa con su bebita nevaeh cox de solo 6 meses..... la policia logro localizar a la criatura esta manana... la pequena esta sana y a salvo pero aun no hay rastro de su joven madre ... "ella ha aceptado a la familia a que puedan encontrarse con ella en un lugar en el condado de montgomery..." la policia sospecha que shanee cox, no esta apta para cuidar a su bebe y quiere continuar con su vida de adolescente... la bebita, esta con los padres de la menor... "ella entrego a su bebe a un miembro de la familia pero ella decidio seguir en la calle..." la madre adolescente es de descendencia afro americana, mide 5 pies 2 pulgadas, pesa 130 kilos, tiene pelo y ojos marrones .... vestia un jean con leggins negros, botas marrones, una camiseta rosada y un saco azul..... "ella extrana a sus amiguitas y a todas sus actividades que hacia anteriormente..." vestia un jean con leggins negros, botas marrones, una camiseta rosada y un saco azul..... para evitar casos como este, donde jovenes se escapan del hogar o donde la responsabilid ad de ser ma

what's the difference between judge frank johnson and judge cox? >> well, about as different as night and day. judge frank johnson was a remarkable trial judge. he knew what his responsibilities were under the constitution, and every day of his life he met those responsibilities. >> he was white. >> he was white. >> district judge? >> district judge. and he was from northern alabama, of one of the counties that did not succeed 100ari h00 before in the civil war. >> and judge cox? >> he was a good lawyer. he was a good trial judge on things other than civil rights matters. he was awfully -- he was awfully tough on me when i tried my cases -- tried the cases before him in '61, '62, '63. we finally -- i think he came to respect me. he during the trial of the 16 people in meridian in 1967, he decided, however, in his mind that the trial was going to be fair, and he gave -- he gave the state, the government, you know, a fair trial. he was firm. but, you know, there was -- judge johnson and judge cox were one of a kind guys, but they were different as ni

this is, we are told, the correct picture of shanee cox.portedly 14 years old, has a six month old daughter named nevaeh. they are missing. thinks the correct picture of shanee cox last seen wearing a blue coat, pink shirt, ripped genes. the baby had on a pink snow suit. shanee may be in need of medical attention. if you have any information, contact montgomery county police department or any police department if you see her somewhere else. sorry for the photo. we were supplied the wrong one. >>> time now to answer the trivia question. tony, you had it right. the answer was 1920. >> african americans have played baseball professionally, did it before that, back in 1878 but fowler became the first black player to cross the color barrier for the lynn, massachusetts, black oaks. it was not until 1920 that pitcher rube foster organized the first national baseball league, the new grow national league. >>> tucker and i are very excited about this. we want to show you some new images from space. nasa released video by the grail spacecraft captured

>> miguel almaguer, thank you. >>> earlier on "today" ann spoke with chuck and judy cox. they say the boys had only recently began to open up, telling them what they recalled about the night their mother disappeared. >> they basically kept saying how they went on a vacation in the desert camping and mommy and daddy, they stopped at some place and mommy and daddy left and then only daddy came back. >> there was some discussion about mommy being in the trunk of the car. is that right? >> yes. >> that was based on a picture drawn by braden at preschool. he drew a picture of the minivan. the day care providers asked him who the people were. he said that was his daddy, charlie and himself and that mommy was in the trunk. >> chuck and judy cox said they had begun to fear that josh could turn violent against the boys in one of the scheduled visits and made their concerns known to police. >>> mortars raining down on homs, syria, as international pressure increases to stop the crack down. the russian foreign minister is in damascus this morning, one day after the u.s. closed the e

fue vista por última vez ayer en wheaton la policía cree que shane cox se encuentra en esta área dempuesto en las bolsas desechables, empieza ser un recargo de 5/100 que ayudaría a limpiar el río, medidas como éstas han sido implementadas en washington con buenos resultados, el condado de prince george sería el segundo condado en adelante después del condado de montgomery. hacemos otra pausa con las noticias y volvemos con más información de su interés. >> sulema: se impiden la ley no sólo los miembros del congreso, principales asesores y altos funciones de la administración de turno, realizar compraventa de acciones basadas en información clasificada a la que tienen acceso gracias a sus puestos, la táctica como conocida desabrida legalmente, ahora será castigada más severamente, la aprobación en el senado serio por 96 votos a favor y tres en contra, al proyecto de ley pasa la cámara de representantes donde cuenta con un gran apoyo. mayor atención política se desplaza al oeste del país, a las primarias en nevada, y como lo dice otro reportero es un estado clave, pero son difícil de

in a statement the cox family said, words cannot adequately express the grief. first, susan, and now charlie and braden. josh powell always denied any involvement in his wife's disappearance. he was called a person of interest but never charged with a crime. susan cox powell vanished in december 2009, the same night josh told police he took his boys on a late-night camping trip in freezing temperatures. her body has never been found. >> i could never hurt susan or my sons. >> but according to police, powell did exactly that, killing his children, two innocent boys whose short lives had already been filled with such incredible loss. >> this was something evil. this was not a tragedy. this was a horrible murder of two little kids. >> reporter: the attorney for the cox family has gone on record saying that the boys are "verbalizing more about the night their mother disappeared." the oldest son said their mother was quote in the trunk of the car and that their father and mother disappeared and their mother never came back. as for the e-mail with the three words "i'm

for her 14-year-old mother shanee cox. >> parents are asking more questions about the montgomery countyteacher and coach are arrested for having sex with a 16-year-old girl. scott spear taught at richard montgomery high school. jummy olabanji has more at the allegations -- about the allegations. >> i cannot believe it. >> the accusations are shocking to many. 47-year-old scott spear a teacher and high school coach are arrested and charged with having sex with a student. >> there are all these young kids, all these teachers, and you do not know what could happen. >> police say last spring scott spear formed an inappropriate relationship with a 16-year-old girl on the track team he coached and eventually had sex with her two times. >> when the trust is broken it is really not a good thing. >> scott spear was arrested thursday morning. word quickly spread. >> i cannot believe he did that with somebody at our school somebody that is my age. that is crazy. >> police say scott spear constantly spoke to the girl on the phone and on the weekend but some parents still have questions. >> you can

shanee cox and her six-month- old baby were last seep yesterday in wheaton. take a look at their pictures. shanee was last seen wearing a blue coat, pink shirt, ripped jeans over black leggings and brown boots. pane had on a bimpg snow suit. family members say shanee cox may be in need of medical attention. >>> police are searching for i suspect in a stabbing that left a man in critical condition. it happened near a metrobus stop on east capital street in northeast d.c. last night. witnesses say they found the victim dressed in women's clothing lying on the ground. >>> we have new information about the sexual assault of a student at a d.c. elementary school. this happened wednesday afternoon at ketcham elementary school in southeast. the suspect walked into the school off the street and police are now saying that school officials unknowingly assigned the victim to escort the man around the school. police are checking security cameras now in the area and school security procedures are being closely reviewed. >>> virginia lawmaker have passed new bills aimed at

. >> reporter: today, susan powell's parents, chuck and judy cox, say their grandsons had recently started remembering more about what happened on that night in 2009. when their mother vanished. and were beginning to see things about the camping trip. they say one of the boys even drew a picture indicating their mother was in the trunk of the car. >> that's daddy. that's charlie and that's me. and then he said, well, mommy's in the trunk. >> reporter: shortly after susan powell vanished, josh powell moved to a town south of seattle with their boys and had been living with them there at his father's home. both sat for an interview with abc's abby beaudrew in 2011. >> i would never hurt her. i would never hurt my boys. >> reporter: late last summer when the home josh shared with his father was raided by police, josh lost custody of two his boys to susan's parents. in the raid, powell was charged with possession of child pornography. >> susan was very, very sexual with me. she was very flirtatious. i mean, i'm her father-in-law and i did -- i mean, we interacted in a lot of sexual ways becaus

we contacted comcast, cox, verizon all tell us when customers call with hardships they deal with each on a case by case basis. tonight on news 4 at 11:00 we visit four people who show us how they slashed their monthly bills, pain free steps to spending less. by the way, we have more money saving tips on our website nbc washington.com. we just have so many. just search liz money which i kind of love that little moniker. >> liz money. >> so many tips, putting a bunch on the website, and we'll introduce you to some folks at 11:00 tonight. >> cool. >> lots of little ones can add up. >> yes. >> thank you. >>> still ahead on news 4 a new effort to stop school tardiness in northern virginia but some say it goes too far. should parents face criminal charges if their kids are late? thousands pay tribute to a local community activist as police arrest a third person in connection to his murder. >> and the bad habit that could cost drivers a lot of money if local lawmakers get their way. >>> coming up in sports tom brady's wife plays the blame game. plus the capitals, yeah, they're struggling and

i am joined by ann bremner representing susan cox's family. my condolences because this must be difficult for and you for them at this time. what were you hearing from the family about josh powell's behavior? >> i represented the family in protection with susan's disappearance and they believed he was clearly a person of interest in the disappearance and they were opposed to him having any contact with him and the family. this devastating and horrific and unthinkable day is one where the family always had very real and very serious fears about josh powell. >> ms. bremner, do you believe josh powell is capable of such a crime? >> absolutely. i believe he was capable of killing his wife. we said that publicly for two years now and i believe he is capable of this, but no one could imagine anything as bad as this. setting himself and his kids on fire. it's beyond belief and beyond horrific and beyond thinkable. >> i spoke with a criminal defense attorney and she said she believed that this may have happened because the children were getting older

imogene webber, jonathan capehart, and rob cox.morass of the food fight this election is with the point toward the tax code. i do know that senator tom coburn is coming out with a big book this spring in april where he is going to go after the tax code. how much of an influence and how much how would you gauge the influence of tax policy on investment policy and job creation? >> the problem with all of this is though that we know there are changes coming to the tax code. that actually creates uncertainty. a lot of talk about changing those things actually will stop people from making investments. if you don't think you'll be able to write off, i don't know, the depreciation of some sort of plan or factory now or six months from now you won't do it. i would say it's great we're doing that but we've got to get very real about this and come down with concrete solutions. the president, there is nothing stopping him from actually making these, putting it forward and at least then a blueprint that people can coalesce around when we get c

while police investigate the murder/suicide, the cox family says one of the boys was finally talking about the night his mom vanished, saying, quote, mommy was in the trunk of the car the night they went camping. when mom and dad left the car, mom disappeared." investigators are still building their case. >> law enforcement was getting more evidence on him. the children were beginning to talk. as they did, evidently, he got very nervous. >> reporter: tonight, a community grieves for two boys whose short lives had already been filled with such incredible loss. miguel almaguer, nbc news, graham, washington. >>> when "nightly news" continues, the intern and president john f. kennedy, a story she never wanted out. a story she kept secret until now. and living history, an extraordinary group of americans who helped save the world leaving behind their stories. >>> 50 years ago a 19-year-old student at wheaton college in massachusetts arrived in washington for an internship in the white house press office. now all these years later, mimi alford says her experience in the executive mansion i

your house majority leader kirk cox, a good teacher. we all know teachers -- mr. speaker, i don't think we can vote in the middle of my speech, can we? we all know teachers who deserve to be rewarded in the teaching of our young people. we will ensure all young people can read proficiently by the third grade so they're ready to become lifelong learners. social promotions are not acceptable. when we pass the student who cannot read well and is not ready for the next grade, we failed them. our public education system has also embraced some multiple learning venues and opportunities. i agree with president obama that we need to expand charter schools in our country. i'm proposing that we make our laws stronger by requiring a portion of the state and local share of the soq funding to follow the student to an approved charter school and make it easier for new charters to be approved and acquire property to get up and running. i think we need a fair funding formula for the fast growing virtual school sector. i propose that a portion of the state and local share of the s

cox >> light rain possible close to the coast line and into the santa cruz mountains. snow and tahoe for early monday morning. year is a look at your extended forecast. for wednesday morning, substantial rainfall but dry and warm conditions expected to rack up the work week. >>vicki: today people said goodbye to the st. anthony's dining hall. it is gored to be toward narrowing into a new have done in called will be rebuilt apple moves into. >> at this dining hall has served us for the past 61 years. it is becoming too small, the equipment is antiquated, we need a place that really reflects the dignity that we see in our guests as well as have a much more efficient space. >>vicki: there is a temporary site in place. the new building will be finished in a couple of years. two women escaped before it tran smashes into their car. the amazing close call was caught on surveillance camera. you have heard of the block, but how about a real live song and dance performed on them? if that is coming up next. >>vicki: in delaware, two women nearly missed getting hit by a train. luc

denise cox is the sister of susan cox powell. she believes josh powell killed her sister. what is next for that family. >> an absolutely brutal story. i will be interested to speak to them. there may even be civil litigation issues here as well. we'll explore that in the next hour. >>> let's move on to the business news this morning. there was new overnight news. bp, the oil giant, remember the big spill, made a big announcement of profit, $7.7 billion in the fourth quarter last year. it signals a pretty nice bounce back from the gulf spill. that is probably pretty shocking to a lot of people to hear that. >> that's $85 million in profits. >> is that an entire profit number? >> they were raking in $85 million a day, a total turnaround in the gulf for them and a real -- look, these big oil companies are cash machines because we're addicted to oil, right? the world is addicted to oil. they make a lot of money. >> they've been spending money, too, in the cleanup. i see the commercials every day on our network, other networks, saying we're committed to enclooing the gulf. i th

to pay a cox bill by phone with a live person, it charges a $10 fee. in person at the cox counter, $5. pay rcn over the phone and speak with a live agent, $6.95. comcast, owner of nbc universal, if you pay over the phone with a customer service agent, a fee of $5.99. companies tell us consumers have many free option when they pay their bills and when they charge fees, it is to offset the cost of labor and the expensive using third parties to process the charges. but this man argues these costs should not be passed on to the consumer. >> it's not a valid reason. it's a cost of doing business. >> you have very little recourse with utilities whether it's electric, cable or phone. i don't think it's right. >> reporter: one recourse every consumer has, find a free option for paying your bill and use it. so in our survey of 15 utilities and cellular phone company, all had numerous ways to pay for free. with verizon wireless, every bill pay option is free. but the bottom line is, don't pay to pay. it's just crazy. >> if you can avoid it. >> if you can avoid i

he had lost custody of his sons to his wife's parents, chuck and judy cox, who tried to keep the boysafe. >> we wanted to express our sincere gratitude for your supports -- support, your prayers, your love. it helps us to be strong and helps us to know that there are good people in the world, good people. >> reporter: as the boys were laid to rest, i guess for most in attendance, that cent i want was -- sentiment was about the only consolation in this tragedy. >> so heartbreaking for that family. a private family burial will take place on monday. >>> moving on to maine, as c- pack wraps up. some of the republican presidential candidates are going north. it appears the race in the main caucuses are going to come down to two candidates, front runner, mitt rom mitt romney and ron paul. paul has volunteers from maine and surrounding states, working to get supporters out. now, meanwhile, the results of a presidential straw poll, of republican conservativeanth vists today, had-- conservative activists tuesday, had romney defeating rick santorum. >>> a harford county taxi driver is stabbed b

in washington, stephany stanton, news 4. >> a lawyer for the cox family says one of the children was beginning to verbalize what happened during the camping trip in 2009. the child allegedly told a lawyer that his mother was in the trunk of the family car before she disappeared. >>> after a year and a half of investigating and legal maneuvering the trial of the uva la crosse player charged with murder is now under way in charlottesville. george huguely is accused in the beating death of his ex-girlfriend yardly love. a player on the women's team she was found dead in her apartment back in may of 2010. before today's proceedings began huguely pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him including first-degree murder. the court is now sifting through the pool of potential jurors. 12 jurors will be selected along with three alternates. the trial is set to last about two weeks. today is the last time huguely has been in court for this case. julie carey will have more on this coming up right here on news 4 at 5:00 tonight. >>> there is a major diplomatic development concerning the on

susan cox powell's sister, denise cox is with us tonight. you for being with us in what obviously is a terrible time for you. no words and so sorry to hear about those boys. you said you thought -- you saw this coming? you saw signs josh might do something. what did you see? >> the way the kids were acting, how they were being closer to us and shutting down on him and the way they were opening up to my family on what happened with their mom and the statements they were saying, and the way he was losing control. he had to get it back somehow. >> i know you're -- i thi think -- correct me if i am wrong, what you're referring to, the boy, when this happened, were 2 and 5, and now they were starting to remember certain things that might have happened that night he didn't want them to talk about? >> yeah. i think he -- i believe he felt they forgot what happened or they were too tired. he underestimated his children, which are very bright children. when they started getting comfortable with our family, he got scared and figured he had nothing lef

ed cox is giving me a good time this morning. >>> welcome back. we're talking about why it's good to have a healthy, funct n functioning republican party. yes, this is the melissa harris-perry show. let me welcome back ed cox, also corian warren, assistant professor at columbia university and a fill low at the roosevelt institute and peter edelman, georgetown law professor and author of "so rich so poor why it is so hard to end poverty in america." okay, i want to start -- mr. cox and i were having a conversation about the idea that the republican party is strong in part because of the tea party challenge, swept in, saw this big 2010 win. but i have to say, what i've been saying the right drift feels more like 1964. i want to play nelson rockefeller at the 1964 republican national convention giving a speech that was very unpopular because he's actually attack being the far right wing of his party. we'll see the response here. >> these extremists feed on fear, hate, and terror. they encourage disunity. these are people who have nothing in common wi

i might mention the fact that kathy cox at the time was planning her run for governor which she then lost. >> thank you very much. i would just like to again remind that this discussion is about the actual and potential impacts of the new voter id laws. so if the questions and the answers can stick to these please. >> i'm peggy with the hispanic outlook on higher education. i have two questions. number one, student voting. university of virginia, for instance, there's over 50% of those students are out of state. so they would have -- or foreign students. but there is a move to say that they only have to present their student id in order to vote. i would think there's some potential fraud there. my second question is about immigrant voting. we have a group going on right now talking about the new campaign that often used the word to get immigrants to vote. we know immigrants aren't citizens. how do you -- how does the aclu feel that citizenship should be verified because of the dlooifer's license or a utility bill is not going to verify citizenship. >> your question is addressed to bo

chuck and judy cox say they have lost nearly everything. first, their daughter, susan, missing and presumed dead, and now this. their two grandsons, 7-year-old charles and 5-year-old braden, killed, police say, at the hands of their own father. >> he is disturbed. the act is cowardly. >> reporter: what began as a supervised sunday visit quickly turned tragic when josh powell closed the door on the caseworker, locking the children inside. minutes later, the house exploded into flames. police believe powell started the fire with an accelerant after sending an email to his attorney with just three words -- "i'm sorry. goodbye." >> we've discovered multiple e-mails that he september to his pasto pastor, he sent to his cousins, other people, longer length. they dictate what to do with utilities, what to do with money, what to do with certain aspects of his life. >> reporter: but today, the coxes say their grandsons had recently started remembering more about what happened on the night in 2009 when their mother vanished. josh powell claimed he ha

now, you may remember his wife, susan powell cox, who went missing in 2009. police are saying that two of the victims are believed to be the powells young children. and that video, look at that, unbelievable, that house just really wiped away right there. i'm joined now by graham washington deputy fire chief gary franz, the deputy fire chief in washington. what's the latest on this? two bodies believed to be the children and a third body found. >> yes, that's correct. that third body appears to be an adult, can't tell at this point if it's male or female, but, you know, everything that we have, we have very credible reports of, you know, a person working with the powell children who brought those children to this house just prior to this event and then after the children were let inside, she was prevented from going inside herself. she smelled some gas and tried to get back in but as i understand it, but she just couldn't do it. she saw mr. powell, and she brought these two powell kids to this home. so within moments to have minutes after those kids were let

cox, thank you so much for joining us this morning.express our deepest condolences for your loss. i know that so much has been said and discussed about your daughter's case and now so many details have emerged in the last 24 hours because of the circumstances involving the death of your grandchildren. did you ever imagine, chuck, that josh powell could be capable of doing something like this? >> we were concerned about it. yes, we did know he was capable. we didn't think it would be such a violent thing. it if i suspected they were in his care and he felt he was being cornered that he may have been giving them some poison or something to put them to sleep. but this -- to bring them into the house and light the thing on fire, that is such a violent act. i didn't know he was capable of that. >> judy, as we have been following this case and most of america has been riveted by the headlines of what has been going on with the investigation for your daughter, susan, a lot of people were aware that you were trying to secure custody of the boy

the coxes as well.were all that was left of their daughter and in our case, a dear friend and a sister. they were fun-loving. they had a great attitude. we'd seen some of that disappear as they had been living with josh in steve's home. it was starting to come back. i fear for chuck and judy now and the pain they are going through. i can't imagine it. >> and also your wife, josh's sister. kirk, thank you so much for your perspective on all this. it's invaluable. sergeant ed troyer, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks. >> all right. now a check of the weather from al in indianapolis. >> announcer: today's weather is brought to you by jared, the galleria of jewelry with five times the selection of ordinary jewelry stores. >> as we look ahead to what we've got coming up weatherwise for the week, things start off nicely along the eastern seaboard. we'll have clouds, showers. above normal temperature bus wet along the southeastern atlantic coast. much above normal temperatures. much below normal

chuck and judy cox, thank you so much for speaking to us. >> thank you, ann. >> okay.ogramming note that "dateline nbc" will have more on this tragic story friday night at 10:00/9:00 central time here on nbc. >>> now a check of the weather from al. >> announcer: today's weather is brought to you by kay jewelers. every kiss begins with kay. >> as we get started on our weather, we'll take a look at what's going to be going on today around temperatures. we are looking at teens and 20s in new england. teens and 20s as you get into the plains. only warm spot down in southern florida. they will be looking at rain. temperatures in the 80s today. we have showers and thunderstorms. clouds in the pacific northwest. plenty of sunshine making its way through the plains into the great lakes. light snow moves across the southern great lakes including chicago. >> good morning. it will be a nice day today. we will make it into the upper 40's and low 50's. >>> for your weather 24/7 check out the weather channel on cable or weather.com online. ann? >> all right, al. thank you. coming up