they have a robot that can go across the room but can't pick up a cra ympomp n and go down here in manhattanthe domain awareness and can't pick out a mother's face in a crowd. what about all those things? who can? a three-year-old can, a 4 yorlede can. sure we are going to get closer especially when we get speech recognition where you can have a conversation. but, you know, i don't know that should be our holy grail. i like what google is doing is making more machines intimate with us. the holy grail should make a partnership and not create machines that can exist without humans. >> the people who are running those, especially google, those guys are scientists, those guys are engineers, those guys -- >> one of the things that steve said to me when the finance people take over the company, it no longer innovates. but larry said and i quote it in the book in my interview with him, he said the reason we can be innovative, the engineers and our product people run the company. those are one of the 30 rules i would extract from the book is make sure product people run the company. that is true at