dedicated, smart people doing great work that mostly what they are bucking up against it here craddick gridlock. that is really what i find. >> do you know as commissioner victor has read the book and if so has he commented? the comment you made is there is no wrong person in the system. i think this system is scary in itself, but i ain't that most people are on the same page. when i think about the commissioner with the changes he is trying to make started to close to home, starting with what he's doing a prevention with the evidence-based program, it feels to me what he is trying to do to keep children in their homes are not separate them out. i'm wondering if he's read your book -- >> i interviewed him. he was -- [laughter] he was very careful. there were two media people in the room while he talked. they had a lot of hand signals. so he was being very careful when he talked to me. i couldn't quite get him to be very extemporaneous. yes, i sent him the book because he's a net. and the book, i talk about close to home and i question what is done with close to home so far because i've been ver