craig hodges and raoul were blackballed under david sternment i interviewed adam silver for the book and i wanted to get him on record and ask him, would you punish a player who used their platform to speak on a topic, even one that you disagree with? and he said no, i would never do that. i value athletes using their voices and talk about the history of bill russell and kareem and everything like that and i interviewed ted of the wizards and mark cuban from the dallas mavericks and steve kerr. i wanted different people in management positions because the notion is if you do speak out, you know, it's like you're going to be, you know, shooting yourself in the foot, you know what i mean? >> ostracized. >> you're going to mess up your career and everything is going downhill and i wanted to get the people in the positions of power to ask them. i had a different experience with the wizards. i had a great experience with them, you know, i mean, they're-- i remember when i spoke at this big rally, anti-war rally and you know, it was during the summer and dave called me in his office and wh