trade forecast for the year, we told you about that yesterday, joining us hodge's capital manager, craig hodgeat did you make of manufacturing data and what do you think that tells us about the economy and the markets. >> it's obviously not positive, we put all the manufacturing, it's only ahird of the economy, we are a service economy, consumer is over 70%, one data p, as we go, the consumer what you're talking about the jobs and payroll, that would be more important as we go along. maria: look at the reaction, we have been talking about manufacturing weakening for a little while, dagen, but the market was sizable decline on this news. dagen: because this index contracted in august and expect today rebound above 50 plus and came much worse than expected, worse than literally every estimate that was out there. just a few things to quickly put out to put it in perspective, weakness in production, backlog exports, one factor that was still above 50 was supplier delivery times but that also fell in september, this could be related not to the broad global slowdown, not to trade tensions, not to we