and craig kauffman would had just come to sc and first year craig kauffman yeah, but we ended up at ucla yeah. and he was a knockout, you know. i mean, you couldn't. yeah it was just exciting to be around him and was a lot of, a lot of activity with the art world and met billy on and it was like a wide open but ed moses was the connection for me. uh huh. so he was crazy. ed yeah, right. it was crazy. but did he did lead me to the promised land. yeah, we're, w

and craig kauffman would had just come to sc and first year craig kauffman yeah, but we ended up at ucla. yeah. and he was a knockout, you know. i mean, you couldn't. yeah it was just exciting to be around him and was a lot of, a lot of activity with the art world and met billy on and it was like a wide open but ed moses was the connection for me. uh huh. so he was crazy. ed yeah, right. it was crazy. but did he did lead me to the promised land. yeah, we're, we're of time. i, i one of thank you again for and i just want to say before you applaud at the end of this month the non frank lloyd wright is turning five and happy birthday. matt is the chief national correspond and for abc and is the author most recently of no time to panic. richard reeves in the middle here is the president of the recently formed institute for boys men and is the author of the wonderful book boys and men. brett writes for a local paper in york city that will go unnamed, and he is the author of a truly prescient book in retreat. guys, i'm so happy be here with you. richard you wrote a piece for us at the free pre