and, and i, i've had you on many times at john pilcher and the craig murray and so many others that are close to us on. but i gotta tell you, dan ellsberg those 9 times. each time he was different each time he was poetic. each time you could see that commitment in the never spirit himself, when i said i'm going to be doing a show on his on she says i'm in. uh so uh that guy at age and he was not just in for him. he was in for daniel hale and for you and for a jeffrey sterling and so many other a whistle blowers and but that, that assigned case really got to him. and he spent so much time we had conversations. so once a week, i call him on his phone and say dad l squared here, speak up, so i speak up and act and we have, we just loved the conversation. we are serious guy, a very serious guy. we did have a sense of humor and we have these look lovely chat, but the assigned case, like i said, nobody was more zealous and fervent and eloquent. then daniel ellsberg on, i want to ask you about that quality time that you spent living with daniel ellsberg and with his family. this was during the