place at the weekly meetings before that, because admiral zeff had worn out his welcome with creighton abrams, and, indeed, in their first meeting abrams told bud i'll give you a short period of time, but unless you put chips on the table, you won't be here. and bud put chips on the table. and i tell the story about how he did that, and what happened after that was this remarkable relationship the two men formed. other interesting things about the book i think i'll just mention to you, i do discuss the senate, his race for senate in 1976. first he had to decide which party to join because he had no party. he had to decide where he wanted to run. he was from california, but he lived in virginia, he had to decide, you know, what year, what year to enter, what state and what party. and he chose the democratic party, and he gave two reasons. and these two reasons have never been given publicly, but they are in the private papers, the personal papers at texas tech university. one was that most retired military were republican, and he wanted to be heard, and he didn't think he would be heard if he

army likes to think, not necessarily a better war but certainly a somewhat different war under creighton abrams when he succeeds westmoreland. though i do think the army coming out of vietnam also reinforces this mistake. it rebuilds itself magnificently at the tactical level. it doesn't do anything about generalship. and so tommy franks is not an aberration, he's not an anomaly, he's exactly what the army was trying to produce in the 1970s and '80s. which it turns out was a jumped-up battalion commander who doesn't understand generalship, who thinks taking the enemy capital is the end of the war, and he spikes the ball on the 20-yard line and goes home. back to football. >> we did start with baseball, right? i mean, it wasn't -- >> i don't know, i'm not even a football fan. i'm a baseball fan. [laughter] >> okay. here. >> yeah. peter adam, i'm a defense contractor and a vet. i served with the 101st. it was a little after the battle of baston. you touched on something earlier that i'd like you to sort of expound on, and that is you talked about the difference between management and leadership,