so if we look at the numbers, one out of every three between the ages of 18 and 29418 and 34 to crete to be in the penal system. what does that mean for the black community, what does it mean to all of those rest of us the means for sending these people into incarcerated situation when they can't get out. >> guest: i see it in somewhat a different way. i feel that our society has racialized the law, john, and caramelized black people. black men specifically part misrepresented in prison. and they based their projections on how many prisons they're going to build on our children, black children's third-grade reading level. if you look a black school and predominantly black neighborhood and then you look at a prison, just look at the pictures, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference. >> host: do you think the conference that you had on justice to educate and subsidize, we'll come back and do a report? >> guest: in many ways, or a like-minded people, black and white, the different disciplines. what we did was we shared information, exchanged ideas, and we asked each other to