things like cloning and designer babies and new genetic technologies like crispr. those are still being mobilized in butter conversations. the ideas don't really go away. susan: it sounds from your last answer it is getting more complicated because of technology. do you see that -- these questions and are ethical considerations in a bigger and bigger for our society? ms. nurridin: i think it will get more collocated because there is a large portion of our society to think about on genetic terms. we talk about certain ideas being in our dna. we found the gene for this. there is a gene for people for schizophrenia. we are looking for genes for addiction. we were talking about people looking get genes to talk about things like homosexuality and trans identity because we tend to think of putting genes as a way to understand things that exist in the world. as long as we are trapped in thinking of those genetic terms, the eugenics questions will come in to play. if we think more broadly about the social and cultural and environmental causes, we might be able to think bey