the sullivan and cromwell attorneys were representing mr. maples up through the argument, the decision in the eleventh circuit. but i think for purposes of what this court would do, i think a remand would be appropriate, because if you conclude, as we think you should, that abandonment of counsel would be an external factor, then it would be appropriate to remand for further proceeding. we don't know what these other attorneys were doing. the record doesn't show that. justice ruth bader ginsburg: we do know, though, that they were not counsel of record. mr. garre: we absolutely know that they were not. justice ruth bader ginsburg: we know that the two who were listed of as counsel of record were not representing him and they hadn't told the court. mr. garre: they were not counsel of record. mr. maples never agreed to have anyone else represent him in a way that could bind him. the alabama court specifically found not only that they weren't counsel of record, but they were not authorized to practice in alabama. this is on page 223 of the peti

his lawyers are not longer at sullivan and cromwell. i don't know how that is abandonment. >> absolutely, your honor. the presumption generally says -- that is correct. the client can certainly move that firms with a lawyer. >> we are not talking about abandonment in this respect. we are talking about notice going to no one and a clock ticking from a certain date that no one knows about. they were preparing for a hearing before this judge. they were not anticipating he was going to roll without anything further. >> that is correct. they were repairing -- preparing for a another hearing. contrary to my friends a statement, on page 222, maples alleged that they were preparing for the evidentiary hearing. >> as far as the record shows, he is not on the record at all for free -- free counsel of record -- let's go back to the post issue. it did not regard butler at any time? he did not even sen its route want -- or 22 responses. >> i respectfully disagree with that assessment of how we can read the service several 32 answer. under alabama la

exhibits, displays and historial re- enactors.it was all happening at the willow grove nature center at cromwell valley park in towson.organizers say the event was about teaching the public how to perserve our water supply. kocher says: "by doing things like not throwing trash, not putting oil down a storm drain, by picking up after your animal--all these things are very important in making sure we keep the water quality good." visitors also toured the loch raven dam... the region's number one supplier of drinking water. coming up on the early edition... is fall here to say.. or will those temperatures climb back up?meterologist tony pagnotti has the answer in your seven day forecast. forecast. 3 fall hasn't been here long... but for some folks... it's already starting to feel like winter.take a look at this video from pennsylvania... where residents woke up to a light coating of snow over the weekend.forecasters say that area usually doesn't get it's first snow accumulation until sometime between october 20th and october 31st. ((2-shot toss to weather)) 3 ((ad lib meteorologist)) 3 ((traffic re

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manassas and farther south, another area with some lightning and thunder which is between midland and cromwell. this will pass just east of catlet over toward manassas as well. we've got the showers and storms mainly west of 95 for the next hour. some of those are going to come up 95 as well. keep that in mind for your morning commute. other thing with the persistent south and southeast wind, we've got coastal flood advisories and coastal flood warnings around alexandria right now. high tide, 9:55. two to two and a half feet above normal. other areas along the potomac, looking at the high tides between one and a half and two feet above normal. mid-60s. d.c., points south and east. as we go north and west, a few 59s from lovettsville. here in washington this morning, we sit 65 degrees. cloudy skies at the moment. winds east at 8 miles per hour and that dew point way up at 64. we do have some fog in spots as well. big picture, that's kind of yesterday's system, still some leftover moisture. this is another system spinning out to the west. more showers and a couple of storms tonight and again on

caroline cromwell, assistant professor of medicine mount sinai.ut that, you're on the a-team. what's the answer? should men be tested or the not? >> this is very confusing and if you brought ten doctors in here i think you'd get ten different opinions about this, but what we're learning and tough to put our heads around is that screening is not always helpful. we're talking about healthy men here, not men with a history of prostate cancer in their family or african-americans who has a higher rate of cancer, you get a lot of false positives, number one and also, finding cancer early is that always the outcome. >> what's interesting to me, doctor, in the research that i read, men who invented the test, test for prostate cancer even he feels not everybody should have the test. but what's the harm in having a test, you either get good news or you find out you have something you have to watch or you find out you have prostate cancer. >> first of all, there's a lot of anxiety around this test agoen understanding the risk and benefits of taking the test.

the fire department is blocking access to the cromwell fountain apartments. anne arundel county schools also had to reroute their buses to avoid the area. >>> tonight, 35 suspected gang members are facing charges. police and federal prosecutors just announced the indictment. >> the reality is, this makes community safer. because the result of the activities of these is that they are creating fear in their communities. they're engaged in robberies, home invasion robberies, burglaries. they're putting drugs in their communities. >> the suspects are allegedly members of a subset of the bloods gang that originated in california. they're facing several charges, including several federal charges, including racketeering. police believed the crime stretched to the eastern shore. >>> engineers ventured to the top of the western cathedral to fix the earthquake damage. and they worked in the fog to remove two tons of stone. crews used a crane to bring down the pieces from the central power. it reopened for the first time since the quake of november 12. >> something you

in new york, getting luciano, for example, john foster dulles tried to hire him at sullivan and cromwell for $150,000 a year. >> 100 is the number i remember. >> ok. in any even, a lot of money. >> yes. >> and he was drafted, literally, drafted to run for district attorney for new york county for the grand sum of $20,000 a year. >> right. >> we're going to get to the rise of your father and how he came to national prominence, but, richard, given what thomas e. dewey jr. has said about his father, take that and describe for us his campaign style. >> it differed, frankly. it's interesting. for someone who has sort of been often caricatured, he's actually a much more dynamic campaigner. when he ran for district attorney, for example, in new york county, new york county was one county and there were people all over the burroughs of new york city that day who wanted to vote for thomas dewey. thomas dewey wasn't on their ballot. he had electrified this city with his exploits taking on the rackets. and because new york, even more then than now, was the heart of american communications. you had

a tree but he had a paranoid fear washington was going to turn into oliver cromwell and take over the government. so they suspected the army of doing this and that, not being respectful of congress and so forth. it was one of the problems washington had to deal with throughout the whole war. this gentleman right here and the leedy in the back. >> such a bleak outlook in the country as you pointed out the british army had more money than god the and they were just waiting for us. why did they just not leave the army in new york or charleston or wherever and say we will wipe it up and to get right back? >> they lost control of the government. the king wasn't the figurehead like today's. she ran the parliament for 15 or 20 years. the it all sorts of key members. they were on the payroll in various ways. edmund spent 15 years of his life denouncing the privileges that ran parliaments like he owned them and so forth, but once he lost the control of parliament the government then and there were enough people in the government who said i don't think we can beat the americans. there was a maj

in new york, getting luciano, for example, john foster dulles tried to hire him at sullivan and cromwell for $150,000 a year. >> 100 is the number i remember. >> ok. in any even, a lot of money. >> yes. >> and he was drafted, literally, drafted to run for district attorney for new york county for the grand sum of $20,000 a year. >> right. >> we're going to get to the rise of your father and how he came to national prominence, but, richard, given what tom dewey jr. has said about his father, take that and describe for us his campaign style. >> it differed, frankly. it's interesting. for someone who has sort of been often caricatured, he's actually a much more dynamic campaigner. when he ran for district attorney, for example, in new york county, new york county was one county and there were people all over the burroughs of new york city that day who wanted to vote for thomas dewey. thomas dewey wasn't on their ballot. he had electrified this city with his exploits taking on the rackets. and because new york, even more then than now, was the heart of american communications. you had the lo