you see, to the elizabethans, cromwell was a hero.me ago to the victorians he was a villain. so something happened at some stage in between, and he is a reflection, like most historical figures, between, and he is a reflection, like most historicalfigures, the times —— of the times. we are not looking at him, we are looking in a mirror. you explain that very well. i think that is a very interesting point. how and when did you become interested in him, because you had wa nted interested in him, because you had wanted to write about him since the start of your career, haven't you? i've began work on a historical novel and i was very young, 22, not long out of university. and i really saw myself as a historical novelist, andi saw myself as a historical novelist, and i thought, right, first i will do the french revolution and then i will turn my mind to thomas cromwell. and of course it doesn't work like that. no one's career is that smooth. and just as well, because i could write about the french revolution then, it was made by young men