so, she is trying to find out more about crossroads g.p.s. at a time when crossroads g.p.s.s running advertising encouraging americans on a public policy issue as it's legally entitled to do to call their representative or their senator to oppose the president on the debt ceiling increase. so, you know, it's -- mane it's a coincidence but i don't think so. >> it can't be. >> somebody, either lois lerner. either lois lerner or the general counsel of the irs or somebody at the white house saying or somebody at the treasury saying the irs better get on crossroads g.p.s. these people are killing us with these ads opposing president obama's policies. >> you know, karl, i'm beyond coincidence. i thought perhaps a coincidence. yesterday in looking at these emails, it just can't be a coincidence. even the reference to cincinnati. it does look like a covert behind the scenes dirty effort to reverse a decision. >> right. >> someone may think it's a lousy decision, maybe it should be reversed -- maybe some legislation, whatever. but this is done by the irs at a covert fashion behind th

lerner, why did you want to personally order that they pull crossroads g.p.s., karl roves' organization's application. >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner in june of 2012, you were part of an email exchange that appeared to be about writing new regulations on political speech for 501c4 groups and in trent sis your quote, off plan in 2013. ms. lerner, what does off plan mean? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, in february of 2014, president obama stated that there was not a smidgen of corruption in the i.r.s. targeting. ms. lerner, do you believe that there is not a smidgen of corruption in the i.r.s. targeting of conservatives? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, on saturday, our committee's general counsel sent an email to your attorney saying, i understand that ms. lerner is willing to testify and she is

lerner, why did you want to personally order that they pull crossroads g.p.s., karl rove's organization's, application? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, in june, 2012, were part of an email exchange that appeared to be about writing new regulations on political speech for 501-c-4 groups and parenthesis, your quote, off plan, in 2013. ms. lerner, what does off plan mean? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, in february of 2014, president obama stated that there was not a smidgen of corruption in the i.r.s. targeting. ms. lerner, do you believe that there is not a smidgen of corruption in the i.r.s. targeting of conservatives? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, on saturday our committee's general counsel sent an email to your attorney saying, i understand that ms. lerner is willing to testify and she is r

lerner, why did you want to personally order that they pull crossroads g.p.s., karl roves' organization's application. >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner in june of 2012, you were part of an email exchange that appeared to be about writing new regulations on political speech for 501c4 groups and in trent sis your quote, off plan in 2013. ms. lerner, what does off plan mean? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, in february of 2014, president obama stated that there was not a smidgen of corruption in the i.r.s. targeting. ms. lerner, do you believe that there is not a smidgen of corruption in the i.r.s. targeting of conservatives? >> on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> ms. lerner, on saturday, our committee's general counsel sent an email to your attorney saying, i understand that ms. lerner is willing to testify and she is