the issuance of the csc. the underlying permit is evidence that is sufficient, and i find the prior evidence sufficient. at the same time, i heard no testimony today that additional evidence is out there that could counter some of the declarations in the appellants evidence, -- appellants' evidence, so i think this was an improper issuance -- improper work done without a permit, and this is where number four comes into play. mrs. tavis can be reconciled. -- maybe that can be reconciled. commissioner garcia: the permit does not ask to legalize what is done, and therefore, cfc could not have -- that is more reasonable to me, as the question was asked by vice president goh about the moving of the sink and toilet, i think it has been stipulated that they did that, prior to getting the permit. you do not have 30 seconds or one second unless the president wants you to comment on it. i am onboard for changing the findings or on board for whatever. if i am the one he made the motion to reopen, i mean to vote, because