i think your segment tonight was brilliant about the csi effect. >> sean: i don't watch csi by the wayhe's a good guy. i'm trying to explain to people what is most important, we better keep the standard. this separates us from other countries itch >> rule of law is what we have to worry -- worry about at the end of the day. we can hate this verdict. woo >> and we do. >> and we do. but we have to rely on the rule of law. it may be broke at times -- >> sean: it is not broke, it is imperfect. >> those imperfections lead people to get away with murder. >> sean: can you think a better system? >> professional jurors. the judge, bailiff is professional. why not professional juries? [ talking over each other ] >> sean: that's a bad idea. thanks for being with us. io

it's not like some scary movie that you watch on tv or "csi," or whatever show it is you're watching. this really happened. >> yes, it all did. the unspeakable crimes. the strange, painful path toward punishment, and then could there ever be forgiveness? god knows that's what the father demanded. >> god knows all about us. there's not a secret crevice of our heart that he's not fully aware of. >> but could the son obey? >> god never expects of us that which we cannot do. god never demands of us what he does not empower. >> imagine now that it's 1979, a little place called okarche, oklahoma, a drive into oklahoma city as people were discovering then before it happened. >> okarche and a smaller

so all this talk about oh, this is a csi effect is nonsense. the prosecution got everything they wanted and still wasn't enough because they had no proof of cause of death. >> you know more facts than we would. i think we represent america pretty well because we're on the outside, not in orlando. do you agree she's dead? she died of natural causes? >> she could have died as a result of an accident. she could have died as a result of natural causes. she could have died -- all of those things are possible. and there's a lot of problems with the physical evidence that they did introduce. and they did not deal with some of the problems in their case. they overcharged the case, responding to the public outcry in the media and, you know, the -- >> not really. they had the choice to convict her of manslaughter. not really. >> no. they overcharged with a homicide at all. they had no evidence this was a homicide. their own medical examiner could not rule out accident. >> she did say it was a homicide. >> they said she died of suffocation. i want you to

he now plays a detector, the star of the cbs-tv series "csi: new york." he starred in "apollo 13 ""and "the green mile." it is worth noting in the nation's capital and steps away from the truman lounge that he played a president in the television movie "truman," as well as a former alabama governor, george wallace. it is his academy award nominated role in the 1994 oscar-winning film "forrest gump" that endeared him to so many fans. he played thomas tanks -- tom hanks' platoon leader. he is here to announce the launch of a national organization to support military service members, veterans, first responders, and their families. it is the culmination of years of support for the u.s. armed services and their families. he has served as the host of the national memorial day concert on the new national mall and he has made more than 40 uso tours and over 150 parents is to entertain our troops at military bases worldwide from iraq to a afghanistan and guantanamo bay. he travels with his group, which you have heard about. the cookies on the table are a tribute t

these citizen csis will be dispatched. and the police department says this is really a more efficient way to operate because these citizen csis will make half the salary of what regular police officers make. this is not a new program. the cities of sacramento and oakland also have a version of these programs. >> linda, it's a great idea. but police work is dangerous work. we report on it all the time. officer-involved shootings, things like that. but is there not a safety concern for these officers? >> reporter: that's why they are not sworn officers. they will be wearing a very plain uniform. they do have that badge. but they will be in unmarked police cars so people don't mix them up with police. they say they are trained to call off and not go to scenes where it's going to be dangerous. they really will just go to property crime type of crime scenes. >> all right. in san francisco, linda yee, thank you. >>> speaking of dangerous, a shooting spree in oakland has left a lot of people shaken up. six people were shot in 90

what do you think -- does csi build up our belief in the justice system like we hear about all of this evidence therefore we think it's like csi and they are going to get their man. >> they wanted her fingernail polish on the duct tape and that would have been the dispositive evidence and this would have come out a different way. but real life doesn't work that way. >> can i say one more thing before we move on? >> no! >> the jury didn't find her innocent. the jury found that the state failed to meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. and the judge instructed the jury that the evidence is not just what is presented, but the lack of evidence. >> don't you think the whole reason, besides the fact that a child was murdered, the obsessiveness was that she wasn't bad looking and she loved to party and that pissed people off. wasn't that part of the story? the fact -- which could argue for her innocence, the fact that what person would party after committing a crime? that takes major balls to do that, right? >> yeah. no. i would say so. i love having a question put to me, "consid

this is a csi w bonthe scope of one eu presidency, quite honestly. there is not a lot they can do. not least because there are several single currency unie think all poland can do is keep a steady ship, but as we know, there are osi fce at work here on the economic crisis. the problems of the eu are just one part. do not cross yourinrsoo much on the poles. >> poland has vowed toouer skepticism and renew member commitment to the european projects. >> absolutely. again, in practical tmsha can they do? it is difficult to see. it is wonderful to hear them say at the launch of the polish esen,ure fantastic with english transition -- with english translation. this is a wonderful blend of innocence that we have not sn from many leaders have been jaded by the project. i think even that rhetoric will help. if he wantto save from where he stands the european union is a wonderful place to be and we can lift ourselves out of the glm,hesoet. but let's be reasonable. poland is on an economic upswing. there are grounds for prime minister tusk to be happier than st >> six months is not a lot of ti

forforensics has not caught up h csi. it just hasn't.try and blame how the prosecution act inside a case or didn't act in a case sitting in the courtroom and say somehow that's what influenced the jury, it might have influenced it to a certain extent, but what the jury has already spoken -- in fact, i think it was juror number three -- was they felt sick to death to find this woman not guilty. and i think that tells you everything you need to know about how they felt about the case. whether or not the evidence was inconclusive was the jury's inability to make a decision based on what was and wasn't placed into evidence. jon: anita kay, phillip ray, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you, jon. patti ann: a fox news alert, we have new details on that deadly airplane crash. a plane carrying more than 100 passengers, and rick folbaum is at the breaking news desk with more. >> reporter: it's a frantic rescue operation that we believe continues to be underway right now after that plane crash in the central african nation of the democratic

they talk about the csi phenomenon that people watch "csi" and every case, there should be this dna evidence this notion that circumstantial evidence got to mean phony evidence, no. circumstantial evidence is usually all there is. very rarely do murders videotape what they're doing. although this lady came close. >> piers: this thing about not understanding beyond reasonable doubt means. reasonable doubt means do you believe this lady did it. it doesn't mean where is the absolute hard evidence here. >> that was the point of our editorial. some paper printed bill maher blames casey anthony. >> piers: that comes down to your thing on stupidity. >> they cannot appreciate nuance. they can't do it. it's like my dog cannot tell the difference between a hard rubber toy and the door stop which is hard and rubber and on the ground. i had to get metal door stops because i cannot get the idea in his head that a rubber toy and rubber door stop are two different things. that's what i would compare the american public to. >> piers: the whole phenomenon of casey anthony, it was fascinating to observe a cou

i'm not looking for csi evidence. the fact she being acted so inappropriately is who are rant to me. the fact she partied is abhorrent to me, she was found guilty of lying to law enforcement. if the standard is on the prosecution you gotta give me evidence if i'm on that jury, you tell me where the evidence is that she committed the murder of this daughter? >> it is all about motive, means, tune. >> what san diego motive? >> let -- let me finish the last person with the kyle was the mother. duct tape, canvass -- bag. everything that was connected with the throwing away of the body is connected to casey anthony. the motive is she was dating tony, he didn't want the child sleeping overnight. the mother said you are not going to leave it with me -- >> this loving adoring mother, new boyfriend, she killed her daughter? >> it has to be a certain color, certain look, because she looks so sweet that she can't be guilty? >> if this were an inner city woman and same facts she never would have been charged with capital mur. i w

this jury watched too much csi, miami.ry wasn't going to convict unless there was rock solid evidence way beyond anything that was presented. look, i mean i'm so disgusted with this whole thing i could hardly speak straight tonight. but the lawyer condemning the talking heads, listen, the problem is with the jury. not so much with the talking heads. the problem is that the jury as i say didn't have a modicum of common sense. >> bill: i agree with you in the sense that -- go ahead. >> bill, here was a woman as you rightly said in your talking point. here is a woman whose daughter goes missing, who for 30 days doesn't report it to the police. who then tells the police that the house keeper took the baby but that is a congres cock andl story because there is no house keeper. then she talks about a rich boyfriend but there is no rich boyfriend. then she goes out dancing and gets involved -- gets a tatoo that says the beautiful life and they can't -- and they find this woman not guilty. circumstancial evidence is evidence. >> b

currently starring on the hit show, csi, new york. off the set he's an advocate for military members and their families. >> this space is awesome. you have two acres that you're going to have here? >> it's two acres. right here by the capital to be involved with a project like this is amazing. >> he is the national spokesman for the american veterans disabled for life memorial that will be built in the shadow of the u.s. capital. >> if you're going to serve your country, you're going to go out there and defend this nation, the nation should show some appreciation and do what we can to take care of them when they come home. so i'm just trying to do my bit. do my part to help keep them strong. >> he has played guitar since he was a kid and started his own band. the lieutenant dan band after 9/11 as a way of giving back. his band travels the globe visiting troops in places like kuwait, afghanistan, and iraq. >> people don't have high expectations for an actor with a band, let's face. i like to surprise them. >> his foundation is helping

, briefly, do you think that things have changed because we've all seen too many crimes -- too many csiws and people are used to that perry mason or now more currently the dna and the hard evidence? >> a lot of lawyers trying cases every day in courtrooms in america will talk about what they call the csi effect that there's a superburden placed on prosecutors now that the jurors do want this overwhelming evidence, forensic evidence that they want that smoking gun in terms of dna or fingerprints or forensics. oftentimes it's not there. as you point out, andrea, sometimes there have been convictions in high profile cases with just as many questions. scott peterson is on death row in california in a case that had roebl just as many questions about how exactly his wife lacy peterson died. there have been convictions where the body was never found on first degree murder. every jury is different and you can never guess. it's a fool's game to guess what a jury will do inside a courtroom. >> that's what makes your beat so fascinating. thank you so much. great to see you. jeff ashton will be on

this one may be a bigger mess there seems to be less csi type evidence, forensics. one of the key ingredients is uncertainty. there's so much ambiguity. so much uncertainty, so many loose ends. and we are fascinated by that. throughout human history we wanted to know what's on the other side of the mountain. what's on the other side of the curtain. you have this uncertainty. a very bizarre trial. at the top of my list of bizarre features the trial is the prosecutors' theory of the motive as a psychologist that's about as bizarre as it gets. the idea that casey anthony suddenly wakes up one morning and says gee, i could have more fun if i kaled my daughter. that's as bizarre and unsound set of psychological reasoning as i've seen in years. so the public is fascinated by all these loose ends. the ambiguities, the why, the why. the lying. that's one of the central features. we're always interested in lying. >> what about that? is man accused of killing his daughter, would it be any different here? >> i don't think -- a little bit. we all believe there's a special bond

ended up cleaning a -- out the crews, but if people seasonal in the air they should be cautious in csi. jana katsuyama college ktvu channel to use. >>> -- channel two news. >> vibrators are also putting water on the flames sweeping income and they was data likely throughout the night. we'll keep covering this developing story right here. be sure to stay with ktvu for continuing coverage could we have crews remaining and the ability to the development and will have more information coming up in the senate authors. >>> you can also go to our website at "tmz" is up next right here on tv 36 to find a video of this fire as well as a sideshow with images. >> the bay area air quality management says the settlement covers 46 incident at the refinery between two dozen six in 2009. they include exceeding standards or polluted and failure to repair leaking equipment. >>> law enforcement and garlic officers were on a manhunt today looking for prisons are prisons who fired shots at police officers -- a person or persons who fired shots at police officers beat it happened to than a police officer ra

training before getting out on the streets, four weeks of training with an officer or four weeks with csi. san francisco police, just so you know, have not had any layoffs on the force. this program will save them money so instead of officers having to stay and do overtime, some of the work that they would normally have done is already done for them. kraig debro, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> a at that john kerry incidents in texas has stunned baseball fans and players around the nation. looks like the bay area is in for a major change in the weather. rosemary has the breakdown for your neighborhood. >>> we still have a long way to go and a lot of work to do to give people the security and opportunity that they deserve. >> the president and wall street react to another disappointing jobless report out today. . >>> the construction of the new kaiser personality day in san leandro hit a big milestone. officials held a topping off ceremony to place the final steel beam at the top of the new hospital. it's on merced street on the west side of highway 880. >> it's a great location, great location f

wait, the guy from csi left cbs for abc?tf. [ laughter ] i thought they were bff's, but idk. [ laughter ] some celebrity news, it's rumored that jennifer lopez will make $1 million dollars for performing at a wedding this week, or as marc anthony calls it, half a million dollars. [ laughter and applause ] get this. the discovery channel has a new reality show about medical marijuana. [ cheers ] yeah. it's not really the best idea though, because after five minutes of watching it, you just want to switch over to the food network. [ laughter ] i don't know what to think of this. police in connecticut say someone broke into a petting zoo and stole 400 bales of hay. yeah, the zookeeper was like -- [ whistles ] hey. hey! hey? hey! [ laughter and applause ] sort of whacky -- [ applause ] [ rhythmic clappin ] >> jimmy: hey, hey, hey! ♪ i have no idea -- i don't know what i was doing. sorry. >> steve: hey! >> jimmy: hey! >> steve: hey! >> jimmy: hey! the guy pulled a gun on him. >> steve: oh, did he really? >> jimmy: yeah. >> steve:

michael vincent, the other csi person who said he smelled a dead body, mr. arpad vass, and we'll get into that later. cindy anthony said it because this was her third call and she wanted the police to get there quicker. simon burch who runs the police tow yard. now, you may recall that mr. burch didn't make his statement until nine days later, after it was broadcast all over the news and, in fact, referenced news reports during his statement to the police. you had george anthony who did an incredible job of pointing out that your knowledge the first night upon arriving as soon as he arrived. and of course you have mr. neal haskell. now who didn't smell it. you may recall the one at the check cashing place, you may recall that she said she smelled garbage. tone nnlazzaro. charity beasley. clint house, he didn't smell it either. sergeant hosey, he said he smelled something. he's at the home, he's hearing lies, yet he didn't think it was sufficient to call the crime scene investigators. why? because the trash seemed like a plausible alternative. it was understa

your basic csi stuff, and they had junk science and weird science and air science and the garden lady and all kinds of interesting characters in the trial. that is why i knew that no matter what they could not convict with the death penalty. yes, some strong stuff needs to be there for the death penalty. and it is our criminal justice system and it worked today and that is what our system is, 12 jurors listening to the evidence and then taking into consideration and then issue a verdict and that is what happened here. >> and savannah, on the charges of providing false information to law enforcement, and how does that gel with everything that we have seen? i mean, are we looking at not having told them the information that she had available to them in the 31 days that the child was missing? >> oh, yes. i mean -- >> the list is on and on? >> well, absolutely. that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and i mean, i would have went out on the limb and predicted a guilty verdict on that, and there were recordings of her lying about the child being with the nanny and she has acknowledged th

when you have the program such as csi and other police shows at the end of an hour, you find out who committed the offense and find out how long they're going to jail. so yes, it does change the calculus. but ultimately, that is very different in the real world. you had real people having to make a decision about somebody's life and all you can really hope for is that they take their charge to listen to the evidence seriously and going back where we started, you agree or disagree with the outcome. the fact is, they heard the evidence. i think they have to respect their decision. >> we thank you very much for your insight. great stuff. we'll know for you. tonight on cbs, 48 hours will devote an entire show to this trial and you can see casey anthony judgment day tonight 8:00 right here on wusa9. our other big story, lesli johnson's fate on the county council. >> i'm scott broom in upper marlboro where convicted felon, lesli johnson announced her resignation today. a resignation that will not take effect until july 31. lesli johnson who pled guilty thursday to obstruction of justice re

. >>> the csi tactic that gotland apartment complex is taking to figure out who does not pick up after their pets. >> clouds and fog are making a cooler. we will complete the coolest day with a pinpoint forecast. ,,,,,,,,,, university of michigan study. women are more likely to get accidents with othe >>> it is a official, women are bad drivers, at least according to the university of michigan, the study they did. women are more likely to get in car accidents with other women, even though they drive fewer miles than men. researchers found women are t- bones on the driver side while making a left turn or hit on the right-hand side while trying to make a right turn. researchers say men tend to react quickly, more quicker and avoid crashes. >>> pet owners, pick up after your dog or science might rat you out. redwood city apartment complex might be the first in the bay area to require their residents to submit their dog's dna samples. why? that way, if anyone finds any evidence left aligned around, it can be tested to see whose dog it belongs to. the apartment complex says that dog owners

hayward police, the investigations unit, csi, the coroner are all here and they are all giving us little information at this hour. i know the victim is an african-american man in his 20s and he was parked in the gold-colored cadillac you are looking at in the far end of the parking lot while the victim sat in his car and another person presumed to be a man in a black hoodie walked up shot him several times at close range and then ran away. there were several witnesses at that time and investigators say right now they still do not think this was gang-related, but they also think the victim was a targeted person. they say they will be here for several more hours trying to hash this whole thing out. lisa amin gulezian, abc7 news. >> thank you, lisa. >>> late tonight a federal appeals court ordered the military to temporarily continue its don't ask, don't tell policy for gay and lesbian service members. the 9th u.s. circuit court of appeals in san francisco based its ruling on new information provided by the federal government. the military halted don't ask, don't tell last week. today's dec

that is what this concord police csi team is investigating.at they received in 911 call around 12:20 p.m. tuesday morning from a person passing by that spotted the body inside of the building. concord police said there arrived a short time later and found an unidentified person who investigators say died of injuries from a violent encounter. >> it is a very dangerous area. >> she lives nearby says the abandoned gas station is often filled with people late at night. >> this old gas station has been abandoned and i use for two years or more. it has been sitting there with broken windows and there are a lot of homeless people that hang out around here. >> the concord police say that they're not sure of the victim was homeless or not, the matter is still under investigation. this is the city's fourth homicide of the year, that matches concord's of total number of homicides for the year 2010. >> a registered sex offender has been arrested on suspicion of raping a woman in her san raphael hotel room. the man that you see here 33 year-old indugo will

programs such as our customs csi, customs security initiative -- container security initiative, where we have officers deployed at 80 different ports of entry where they will screen 85% of the containerized cargo before it even leaves the port of that nation. we have over 247 last point of departure throughout the world. there are more people, more cargo and transportation abilities targeting the united states. at the time we have targeting capabilities that will take information intelligence and all other kinds of flow that we have amounts the international intelligence community to basically target any actor that is coming toward our country. in its simplest form, what's cvp and dhs do is keep bad people and bad capabilities from coming into our country. we do this by operating in our ports of entry with over 21,000 customers and border patrol officers that on a daily basis inspect close to 1 million people coming into this country. about 700,000 of them come through our land border ports of entry. about 250,000 come through the airports. we have over 50,000 containers a day that co

you watch "law & order," these other television shows, "csi," and they almost always get their man orthis woman was guilty? >> very much so. tland was this sense as time went on, tension not only understandably between the prosecution and defense but that it has gotten personal. that brings us in. the family dynamics, the darkness that would make shakespeare kind of wobble. this is a very compelling story, so the fascination, the interest, the wish that justice would be had and it would be dramatic. got that, but it wouldn't be what the crowd wanted. >> then you see the dysfunction on television and look at your own dysfunctional family and say, a-ha. same thing here. >> although this one seems to have darker secrets than some, we all have our, let's say, family dynamics. this one more painful than most of us. >> lisa van sus strin, thanks for coming in and sharing with us. she's the witness the world wanted to hear from but casey anthony never testified at her murder trial. did that impact the jury decision? our breaking news coverage continues. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. n

kind of like a csi meets your kitchen. >>> today's businessman's special southbound a company calledcoming up after the break. >>> good morning. it's friday july 22nd this is your a.m. wake-up call. i'm al i have velshi joining you from a sultry, muggy new york city. you don't need me to tell you it's hot out there. it's really hot. talking about triple digit scorchers across much of the country. the weather service blaming 20 deaths on this record breaking heat. proof it is dangerous, people cranking up the ac just to cope, stressing our power grids to the max. >> the longer it stays hot and the longer the system has to go without being able to cool off, the morris ski it gets and the more stress builds up in the system. >>> energy secretary stephen chu says his agency is ready to spring into action. >>> today the pentagon is expected to cert five that it is prepared to accept openly gay service members without sacrificing national security, that's according to a u.s. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. the president has to endorse the certification, then a two-month w

the problem we are living in a csi society. if there is no dna.body decomposes, all fingerprints and everything else decomposes it is as though you are scott free. circumstantial evidence today is not what it used to be. so, the time honored criteria of murder, -- of motive, means and o'opportunity and whether this defend -- committed kraoeupt is giving way to where is the forensics? if you don't have it, that's the end of it. you can get away with murder. >> greta: this is a death qualified jury. which is the toughest jury a defense lawyer can fay. now for people to say they -- can face. now -- [ unintelligible ] geraldo, you want to defend this jury? >> i think the jury weighed the evidence rather than emotion. they listened to baez's brilliant closing argument. they separated the shots, hot body contest and the way she behaved after the child died. and they -- they weighed the evidence. what does the evidence say? jeanine, judge jeanine, polishes over the lack of dna. the lack of fingerprints. >> i said there wasn't any. >> fact of the matter i

michael vincent, the other csi person who says he smelled a dead body. mr. arpodboss -- we will get into him a little later. cindy anthony who said that in her 911 call but said since this was her third call and she wanted the police to get there quicker. simon birch who runs the police tow yard. now, you may recall that mr. birch didn't make his statement until nine days later after it was broadcast all over the news and in fact referenceed news reports in his statement to the police. you have george anthony who did an incredible job of pointing out the uri of pointing out as soon as he arrived, and you have dr. neil haskell, the $4,000 man. the anthromologist who explained several theories. now let's take look at who didn't smell what. karen sanchez at the amscott check cashing place where the car was. you may recall she said she smelled garbage. tony lazarro who went and got casey, got the gas can for casey. and was right near the drunk on the 20th. charity beasley, a police officer who picked up the car and took it to the tow yard. maria kish, the girli

they also value the kind of tidiness that csi and other crime stories have whereas this case and a lotsy, facts are messy. i thought the prosecution actually given the tangle of circumstantial evidence did a very good job putting it together. but you're right. jurors these days are exposed so often on television to just perfectly tied up verdicts that if they don't get one maybe that's a higher burden for the state. >> the standard is reasonable doubt. >> reasonable doubt. >> terry, thanks very much. >>> now back to new york and josh elliott with the news. >> thank you, george. >>> with the c cey anthony trial now winding down two other high-profile cases are ramping up. former fugitive mob boss whitey bulger set for arraignment in boston today. he faces 19 murder charges pending since he went on the run 16 years ago. >>> meanwhile, in washington jury selection begins in roger clemens' perjury trial. he was accused of lying to congress when he testified that he never used performance-enhancing drugs during his long career.. >>> and president obama is asking congressional leaders to mee

but i can tell you this, we are now living in a csi generation, where jurors expect to see the gotchat, they want the dna, they want the fingerprints, they want the scientific proof, and it ignores the reality that in so many cases, from the beginning of our criminal justice system, in this country, there is only circumstantial evidence, and that is a bedrock of our justice system. this jury is saying, and i think the message is clear, that unless you've got a videotape, unless you've got dna or fingerprints, then there can be no murder. there is no eyewitness. and you know, it's almost as though saying if you commit the perfect crime you can get away with it. look, don't leave your common sense at the jury room door. what happened? who had the motives, the means, the opportunity, who partied like a rock star after she was gone? and no one, alisyn, has answered the question did this child die in the pool? there was no evidence of it in that courtroom, none whatsoever, there was no evidence of sexual abuse, none whatsoever, so it was almost as though smoke and mirrors, maybe this happe

we come from a world of law and order and csi you try cases in, what, 12, 10, 9 minutes on televisionis able to sit there and take it in three, four year. if i'm baez i need to own my opening statement and hope i get a smile out of a jurorly tell l. tell me i have a shot and say thank god what i say in opening isn't evidence. i have to focus on what, where, when, which means they haven't proven why. if i'm the prosecutor, i focus in on behavior. >> in closing argumentsing in now will be put in, it's a sumization of what's happened. how much weight do you have to give the closing argument when it's going over that which has already been processed through the trial? >> again closing argument is not evidence. the evidence is already done. what the attorneys need to do is show the jurors how each side wants them to think. the jurors are allowed to enfer from the evidence their conclusion, basically. that's how they're going to render their verdict. there are a lot of up answered questions after 33 days of testimony. so what the job of the attorneys is to try to answer those questions with

this csis didn't need to happen number one .ow that the president allowed the crisis to evolve, they can hold the debt ceiling where it is . make the hard cuts like the congressman talked about earlier and continue to reestablish confidence in what they are doing. the problem is, it is all political posturing. they don't need to raise the debt ceiling. pay those things that are necessary and interest on the debt and military familis and social security checks that will work. but what the president and democrats don't want to do is to then make the cuts on everything else. >> let's talk about whatever is left. i mentioned it with the two congressmen. the analysis done by jay powell who was a top treasury official. did an analis and found you can do that. you have the mon yepay the bond holders and they will not go in technical default. but you will have to cut other government programs by 44 percent. that is almost half. the argument he makes even if you pay medicare and medicaid. you have to choose between veterans or unemployme

. >> i think folks have come to expect with csi and law & order that the dna is going to be there, anding that says see, there's the evidence. it's not there. >> forensic pathologist dr. warner spitz testifies that the duct tape couldn't have played a role on caylee's death because it was placed on her skull after it had already decomposed. >> if duct tape were attached to the body on the face, there would have been dna on the face. >> no explanation as to why someone would locate a skeleton in the woods, get duct tape out, and then leave. that's a really curious question. >> the defense doesn't answer that question, but instead tries to raise suspicion about the utility worker who found caylee's remains, roy kraung. >> that was a horrific thing for me to find. >> the defense has long pinned its hope for reasonable doubts on what they believe is his dubious story. >> roy krnon notifies the authorities that he knows where caylee's remains are in august. they are not found. >> i originally called -- >> he then notifies the authorities. he knows where they are in november, an officer show

she was powerful and masterful sglcht and in your experience of a case like this, there is so much csi-kind of evidence, but the obvious gaping hole in the prosecution's case which is that they have no cause of death which allowed this opening for the idea that there could have been an accidental drowning, how does a jury weigh that? how do they weigh this expert testimony which is often contradictory with commonsense with the emotion? >> well, i think it is going to be very difficult for the jury to weigh all of the evidence in this case. however, what linda did say which is one of the most important things of this case is to look at the totality of the evidence. the big picture here. what does all of this evidence altogether suggest? and that is really what the jury is going to have to look at and think about when they deliberate. >> i think that one of the things that they have tried to get to throughout the whole case is just this concept of casey anthony wanting to have her freedom. and she hit on that again. who had the motive essentially at the end. was it the grandparents who had bu

>> we live in the world of csi. we experienced it with casey anthony. link me to the crime scene. than somebody say so. this dna evidence was critical, we can assume to this woman's conviction. now we have forensic people coming in at the appellate judge's request saying wait a minute, this dna evidence is not reliable. we don't know if she has anything to do with it. and it may have been contaminated. this woman may be home by christmas. >> what they did, which was more impress . this team appointed by the court, not prosecutor, not by defense. -- they showed the video they had access to of the collection of the evidence during the course of the crime. they highlighted to these judges, 54 mistakes that the forensic experts did in collecting the evidence that would give wrong information. they are saying your honor, the facts that the jury based their evidence on is not reliable. this is italy shepard, it is a little different than we're used to. >> shepard: bunga-bunga. >> one guy convicted sentenced to 30 years, his appeal upheld but they reduced his sentence from 30 years to 16

. >> csi fond a hair from a decomposing body they believe was caylee and high traces of chloroform. >t level in environmental samples before, at least i never have in 20 years. >> damning testimony from her family. on casey's strange behavior hiding caylee's disappearance from them for 31 days. >> i lost it. [ unintelligible ] >> what do you mean she's been gone? why didn't you tell us? >> paraphrasing, because maybe i'm a spiteful bitch. >> >> casey claims caylee was kidnapped by her nanny. a woman she now admits never existed. >> she told me she met the nanny, she held casey down and told her that she was taking caylee from her. >> casey was still insisting caylee was kidnapped on december 11th, 2008. when the supervisor for meter reader roy kronk called 911. >> one of my meter readers found a skull that he believes is human. >> caylee's skeletal remains was found with two plastic garbage bag and a laundry bag, plant roots and vines in her hair and duct tape still clinging to her skull. her clothes and blanket in tatters. testimony that casey says made sherr so sick she had to leave

it's csi on steroids. that's great.e you going to go out with a date movie for $13 to see this story? i don't think so. are you going to go to a book signing? i doubt it. ultimately it's damaged goods and people are upset because they didn't get the guilty verdict. isn't that why everybody watched this? let's say she gets the big deal. she just got convicted of lying this morning. anything she says has a big question mark after it. hollywood could get much better resolution than going, that's interesting than ever have to pay her a dime. maybe i'm the contrary on that. i don't think she's going to be raking in the big dough. >> all right. but she's going to be out july 13th. wendy murphy, she's going to be out in less than a week coming up on wednesday, july the 13th. are you surprised by this? because when they left this morning to talk about good time, time served, people thought that it could be late july, early august. no one speculated that it could be wednesday -- as early as wednesday of next week. >> yeah, i'm a

we have what lawyers call the csi effect. cases on television proven by laser beam trajectories and the specific typeface on a computer. laser beam recognition that can prove beyond all doubt without any possibility this is the person. that is not real but that is what the juries or the average person watches from all walks of life and so they expect it when you come into the courtroom. >> bill: juries have been in fectded by television and movies and internet. information that isn't really conceivable in most cases and they come in if they don't see that information they are liable to acquit. >> and that is it. there have been great leaps in forensics and other areas. we have dna. we have. >> but we had those leaps in this case. we had two fbi people come in say you know what, there was chloroform in the quar. you know what, there was a hair in the car that matched the hair of caylee anthony's death site and the jury said not going to believe you. i'm stunned. here is the two fbi guys. this is what they do. they are experts.

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