following the instructions of the to administration. >> if you were king for a day, how would the csmac have spent that year and a half? >> guest: well, you know that i'm a techie, paul, and i think that the engineering profession, the ability to do technology is not represented adequately, certainly not on the csmac. these are -- because of the nature of what the assignments have been, these are in general not technically-oriented people. and that's not a criticism. they are expert in responding to the questions that were brought up. the fcc advisory council is more technically oriented, but they're also, they are responding to the questions brought up by the fcc. there are some committees on the fcc that are facing the spectrum problem more directly, but in my view knob's doing enough -- nobody's doing enough. >> host: marty cooper, what about the verizons and the at&ts? are they using their spectrum efficiently or more efficiently than they were ten years ago? are they looking at this issue as well or simply buying more spectrum? >> guest: all of the above. they are absolutely, using