it was the decision to put feeder over ctip.this is setting a pattern of what is to come, but there is something to be said if it is not going to make a difference, so if you can just expand a little bit on the and help me to understand that, thank you. >> we agree completely. the foundation about this is all about equity and access, which is why we are doing the feeders, because we think they provide more equity and access than what is existing in our system, and a lot of choices for those not contiguous, i know where it was talking about recommendations built on historical trends patterns, and the number of families who are actually choosing to and attending these schools, and we want to continue to support them. just to put some context behind this, we think it is equitable and will provide equitable access. why we are recommending the feeders above the ctip is that we want to encourage through a choice system the development of these feeder patterns. parents will only get beefeater tie-breaker if they have actually listed it

it was the decision to put feeder over ctip.this is setting a pattern of what is to come, but there is something to be said if it is not going to make a difference, so if you can just expand a little bit on the and help me to understand that, thank you. >> we agree completely. the foundation about this is all about equity and access, which is why we are doing the feeders, because we think they provide more equity and access than what is existing in our system, and a lot of choices for those not contiguous,

i have to learn about this ctip thing, but i hear you talking about socioeconomic status.my husband is a carpenter, which is not really great news, but we live where there is one school, and he is placed across town, and i am thinking, where do we cut fall in this? i want to be sensitive, multi- cultural, but i in a minority as a white person, and i feel that i am very victimized right now. i cannot drive across town. keeping the kids. they are all going to get there. he is the only one going across town to a school where he does not know anybody. so i just wanted to come down and say hi and make my presence felt. commissioner: can you tell us what son, -- what school? thank you. ok, now, does anyone have any comments they want to make? >> continuing to bring to light and make things more clear for us. i just want to go back to the sibling, a feeder, ctip, and what was done, whether it really made a difference. it was the decision to put feeder over

why we are recommending the feeders above the ctip is that we want to encourage through a choice system the development of these feeder patterns. parents will only get beefeater tie-breaker if they have actually listed it as a choice. otherwise, the tie-breaker will not exist, so in the event that a parent lists as a choice a small that supports the kb amica 8 feeder that we are eventually going to, they would get this tie-breaker -- this kindergarten through eight tie-breaker feeder. i think is important. if they do not was the choice, there is no tie-breaker. they are not compelled to request schools that are part of the feeder tie-breaker, but if they are, we want the system to support bop what we are trying to achieve over time, and, again, we do believe the whole foundation of this is equitable. i hear and understand what the others are recommending, and we believe that this peter proposal is grounded in equity and access, and we want to structure it in such a way that it supports through a choice process the development of these feeder patterns, so by the time we get to an initial

want to suggest that if there is no difference, and then i do not see why we should not " -- " put ctip above feeder. to change the choice patterns into change in attendance patterns. but since we do not know yet, having no data that takes into account feeders, it seems to me that a more important message is how we put what we value into the order in which we place these things, so i am with the let's put the equity issue above the feeder issue, because, actually, i have been kind of nervous about -- i think we have made a lot of presumptions about people wanting these proposed so-called things, but i am not sure. we made a judgment about what we thought people would value without actually having any data on which to do that, so i still think since there is absolutely no data with which to make such an analysis more than what we have here, and i appreciate that we have tried that here, that that is what we ought to do, because that would send the message that i am more interested in sending. also, and this is just an idea that came to me, the things we are talking about tonight, the ele

in our literature, we moved away from the ctip because as you mentioned it's hard to understand. what it is is basically the areas of the city with the lowest average test scores historically and we hope that will change. commissioner mendoza: thank you. commissioner norton? commissioner norton: so, i have very mixed feelings in general about the feeder pattern. i am going to support the superintendent's recommendation tonight, but i also really feel that it is essential that we lay out a plan for what we are going to do for all our middle schools that are not offering equality in program because we know as we've been looking at this over the last few months and we've known for a long time that not all of our schools are offering the best program and as robust a program as they should for i think it is really -- i think a lot of what i have heard from parents who are opposed to this program is how are you going to make the school that my child will feed into a quality middle school and i don't think that we have laid that out yet. we have talked a lot about the -- i know staff ha

in our literature, we moved away from the ctip because as you mentioned it's hard to understand. what it is is basically the areas of the city with the lowest average test scores historically and we hope that will change. commissioner mendoza: thank you. commissioner norton? commissioner norton: so, i have very mixed feelings in general about the feeder pattern. i am going to support the superintendent's recommendation tonight, but i also really feel that it is essential that we lay out a plan for what we are going to do for all our middle schools that are not offering equality in program because we know as we've been looking at this over the last few months and we've known for a t

my question was about the ctip, and we have pulled the data on that to see where they are currently going. is that correct? do we know where our c it is not fresh in my memory. you can see they are distributed in this process throughout middle schools, but we can certainly do that. good >> i am curious where they are and if the facts as they have an -- if the schools would be the ones they would end up having priority because they were the ones they were going to feed them into, so whether they were feeder, they are going to end of a the school, because they are trying to -- end up at the school because they are trying to do the pattern many of our families are choosing, so i am curious if that will -- it is not going to show a difference how we place a. is it really going to matter looking at some of the patterns that have happened if they are going to get placement any way? that would be helpful for me to consider also, and i am with the commissioner in terms of what our values are. i guess theater is the pattern they want to consider. it who -- feeder is the pattern they want to consid

-- sorry, the initial assignment would be the tie- breaker, and then it would be siblings and then ctip and then siblings would have priority. it is the same tie-breaker as initially, but if there is someone in a program pathway applying for a program pathway, then that would get preference. so that is the section of the presentation that is on the middle school feeders, and with the board likely to keep going and talk about the monitoring? commissioner: i have some questions about the middle school feeder, but we will come back. >> ok. prudence carter from stafford and another from uc-davis and one from stanford, a group of experts that the superintendent has convened to ups staff with identifying questions which should be explored, determining which data should be analyzed, and how it should be analyzed, reviewing the annual report in sharing observations with the pe