the cubans offer hospitality to general alexander alejandro o'reilly. he rose through the ranks of the spanish army. the spanish sent alexander o'reilly to cuba to form a militia. he was appointed governor of louisiana and head of the army later on. he arrived in august, 1769, and took formal possession of louisiana for spain. think of new orleans and cuba, in particular havana, governors there were also in cuba so there was all this traveling from one city to another because later when i got my ph.d. from tulaine university and i went to the irish channel. it's interesting, the irish history connected with new orleans. so the o'reilly family has been in louisiana for centuries. in cuba, nobody remembers him but it was the street of calle oreilly, famous until the 50's for its banks and bookstores. it was one of the favorite streets of (inaudible) secretary of the spanish count of fernandino, my grandfather, another irish man feeling at home in havana. there, at the busy corner of calle street and oreilly was a cafe bakery owned by a catelan. it was des

cubans have a different immigration policy than noncuban hispanics. wet foot/dry foot, it's easier to come into the united states if you are from cuba than if you, say, are trying to escape a regime in nicaragua that you don't like run by a sandinista, former sandinista daniel ortega or, say, trying to escape a drug war in mexico. and so there is clearly some friction there, and it will be an issue that politicians like marco rubio or any other cuban-american aspiring to national office will have to address. >> host: manuel roig-franzia, what's your background, and why did you choose to write this story? >> guest: i was born in spain, came to the united states when i was 2. my father's a spaniard, and my mother's from an italian-american family. i was interested in writing about marco rubio because, one, he's an avenn adapt politician who is going to have a say in what our country's immigration policy looks like, what our country's budget looks like. but also because his family history and his own political rise, it's just a great story. it reads like

one of the pieces of my ticket to ride is how many cubans of irish ancestry are there. because this connected to my family, that's why i wanted to read it to you. in the 40's, my father moved to new york in search of his destiny. he learned to make brillantine in red, blue and golden colors to give a beautiful sheen to the hair. in his spare time, when he could break free from his alchemist's captive vit, he would go listen to cuban music at the park plaza hotel in manhattan.

so we see kennedy -- we all changed our mind after the cuban missile crisis. we see a new kennedy, visionary kennedy. >> only a couple more years to live. >> that's a tragedy. >> why do they call it dulles airport. i find that insulting. >> and reagan airport, and thurgood marshall in baltimore. >> now, obviously one of the last things that happens while kennedy is alive that has a very important impact on foreign policy is the assassination of the president of south vietnam. our client, our ally over there. and then two weeks later, i think it's two weeks later, kennedy is himself assassinated. and as you were saying before, this raised the questions that historians can argue about, keep arguing about, the next 50 years, would kennedy have wanted to -- would he have pulled american troops out of vietnam dish pull adviseers out, and you -- indications are that he would have and you cite various sources.that. just curious, just to challenge that a little bit, there's a wonderful book by a diploma called, "choosing war" in which he says that viet cong attacks we

clearly one of the most germanic and various defense of this presidency was the cuban missile crisisin october 62 which all of us lived here as teenagers. talk a little bit if you would about how you think that crisis came to be and why it didn't result in a nuclear holocaust? >> guest: khrushchev actually made a big blunder in the cuban missile crisis and that was not just putting the missiles with nuclear warheads into cuba, it was not announcing that he had done so. he undermines his own deterrence. what he was trying to deter was the u.s. invasion of cuba. the united states have been planning an invasion and in fact we had a mock invasion planned for october of 62 called operation -- after the bay of pigs. or cusack as castro spelled backwards. the u.s. was in heavy planning mode for an invasion to overthrow after the disaster of the bay of pigs. we had also been running operation mongoose which was other contra insurgent should -- counterinsurgency program so was clear the u.s. was planning an invasion. khrushchev thought he could kill two birds with one stone by changing the ba

they were cuban slaveholders. so that made it easier to vilify the cubans slaveholders. okay, so it's a little bit different. it's a little bit safer, but i would emphasize, that is not an easy distinction to maintain. in other words, i have never read about any american slaveowner who would have liked to see an image like that. [laughter] you don't glorify and lionize slave rebels. the spanish government pointed this out very clearly to the american. are you going to say that it's legal for these people to kill a white man, a figure of authority, and capture a ship? all of the slaves in america will be very interested to get this news. so there are contradictions there but i do believe the fact that it came from outside the united states into the united states made it a little easier. but the other thing which i think really does matter is that this was a really very dramatic event. and what has struck me about the popular side of it is that they were interested in who these people were as africans and there was some sort of exoticism in that. people of connecticut had

obama carried florida's cuban america vote. they want the white house to take it. >> the administration has been visited by us to make it clear that this needs to be a high priority. we got to get alan gross back. >> alan gross is 63 years old and his family says he has health problems. he is serving a 15 year prison sentence. >> thanks so much. those five cubans were arrested in the u.s. in 1998. the castro government admits they were spying, but refers to them as heros. >>> anti-apartheid icon nelson mandella has been admit today a hospital in south africa. mandella is undergoing tests and there is no cause for alarm. in a statement they said the former south african president is doing well. he does receive medical treatment from time to time which is fairly consistent with a man his age. >>> officials at the hospital where the duchess of cambridge was treated are now publicly condemning a prank that happened just days before one of their nurses ended up dead. tonight we have an update on those pranksters. >> fellow nurses le

his cuban passports this week, which will enable him to travel. ultimately the decision does rest with cuban authorities, but to assist him and we will keep in touch with the gentleman. >> in april, the prime minister stated energy efficiency will be placed at the heart of government policy. on monday of this week, the government's fuel advisory group warned that there could be over 9 million households in the fuel poverty. and that is 25% of all households in stoke-on-trent. can the prime minister tell us why for next year, expenditure on heating insulation programs for low-income households will be halted? -- will be has billable of 2010 to 2011? ms. we will behalf level -- will be half the level of 2010 to 2011? >> i know the lady takes a deep interest -- the green a deal is a bigger and better program being brought in. i would make the point that labour promised to abolish fuel party altogether in 2005, and yet fuel party came up. we have done is we have maintained the payments and increased the cold weather payments. we're making money availa

they would say, "no, i'm mexican," or "no, i'm dominican," or "no, i'm cuban."metimes the blackness of a person in a latino culture... >> hinojosa: sometimes? >> it's a very important point... >> hinojosa: i would say it's oftentimes it's a very important point. >> because we in latin america... >> no, no, yeah, that they deny it. >> hinojosa: that there... that there's a denial of the complexity. >> there's a denial of it, yeah; oh, my god. >> hinojosa: there's a lot of denial. >> we don't talk about race the way... in latin america the way we talk about race in the united states. >> no. >> andheres a... an implicit and deeply rooted racism in our society.. >> anti-black racism. >> absolutely. >> there were 12.5 million africans... >> hinojosa: this is an amazing statistic that even that you know it, but i want people to listen, so say it again. >> between 1502 and 1867, 12.5 million africans were shipped to the new world. and of that 12.5, 15% died in the middle passage, okay? so that means 11.2 about get off the boats in the new world. and of that 11.2, only

we later found out the soviets had 10,000 troops and there were 100,000 armed cubans. we later found out that the soviets had 43,000 troops, and there were two under 70,000 armed cubans, said the initial plan is that we iffen been dated we took the casualties, four to 500 dead. after they found out how many troops there actually were, he said that would have been 25,000 dead. then he found out they also had 100 battlefield nuclear weapons they would be using on the american forces and he said 100,000 americans would have been killed. it would have to absolutely destroyed cuba and very likely taking out the soviet union also. so we came that close. fortunately, kennedy and khrushchev were both doing everything they could to try to prevent the nuclear war. and they finally succeeded but came close to them not succeeding. kennedy said the chances were one out of two that we would have had a nuclear war and khrushchev thought they were closer than that and he felt the american invasion had begun. >> it sounds like it was in many ways enactment of -- >> she had no way to kn

his cuban passport this week which will enable him to travel. ultimately, this decision does rest with the cuban authorities but british officials will continue to assess him and we will keep in touch with the honorable gentleman. >> thank you, mr. speaker. in april the prime minister stated that energy sufficiency -- efficiency will be laced at the heart of government policy but on monday of this week the government's -- advisory group warned there could be over 9 million households in fuel poverty, and that is 25% of all households. can the prime minister tell us and tell me why our next year expenditure on heating programs for low-income households will be half the level of the 2010-2011? >> i'm afraid, i know the honorable lady takes a deep interest in this matter but the green pea is a bigger and better program that is being brought in. i would make the point that labour promised to abolish the poverty altogether in their 2005 manifesto and yet fuel poverty went up. that is what happened. what we have done is investing in the warm front sch

we cannot it is -- we cannot go to cuba and deal with a cuban citizen and open a business. you can only deal with the government. until the system changes, the people will never benefit from absolute freedom, basically. they trade with the entire world, but the country is an economic mess, because it is a centralized government. the people are not free to be entrepreneurs, to have opinions, to travel. it is a mess. unfortunately, it is one of those regimes. there has not been an election in over 50 years. this is a project i have been developing a couple of years, with hillary hemingway, his niece. it deals with the last 10 years of his life in cuba, during the time he wrote "the old man and the c." it is a film we have been financing for a couple of years. i have the honor to have support from sir anthony hopkins and annette bening. we are coming not to the finish line, but to the beginning. the finish line is at the end. it is an interesting place now. if you are in independent film, you have to go which it almost span the globe over there. you have to bring money from al

. >>> the cuban government is accusing washington of lying about the health of a maryland man in a cuban prison. allen gross is detained in havana for three years after being convicted of acting against the cuban government. a cuban diplomat said that gross will not be released without conditions and the government is willing to discuss a trade. gross in exchange for five cuban intelligence agents in a florida prison. >>> as the 5 continues, a breast cancer breakthrough. why a popular drug could change the way some patients are treated. >> it's not always easy to get motivated to exercise. stick around, an inspirational man who lost 310 pounds coming up. >> and prank callers managed to dune a worker -- dupe a worker at kate middleton hospital. >> and get ready for a cold overnight. as it looks like suburbs will be headed down into the 20s. first look at the forecast and then we'll show you that maybe some warmer stuff will eventually come back into the picture. the forecast and more news after the break. stay with us.  . >>> in tonight's health alert, a new study shows

would it help the cuban people or would it help us?, as you said, other companies, european companies, canadian companies, brazilian compies, are investing in cuba. you have a major spanish hotel chain. you have a canadian nickel company. you have nestle, unilever and they're getting first mover advantage on american companies. why do they go to cuba? there is a market in cuba. they're looking at the natural resource, the beaches, the nickel, the good land that is there. they know that the labor is relatively well-educated in it will be relatively competitive. adam: roughly left million people. you have roughly 11 million highly educated people ready to go to work. >> exactly. adam: it is essentially a communist dictatorship and can you trust that kind of government to do business? >> we have to distinguish within the government between the orthodox guys and reformers, those who are looking for change. as we do aund the world, we want to engage behind those who are supporting reform. so we should be supporting the pro-market elements b

the real thing when he used in the senate would use stapp as the president is in the museum for the cuban missile crisis those who wrote for kennedy, a servant him comment to him as a friend had their own take, interpretation and their own spin. now the visible speaker tonight, the voice we and 48 you to listen to is kennedy. we see this book as the one kennedy never had the opportunity to write. now individual who is the most responsible, caroline kennedy conceived the idea that presented the most compelling and fascinating excerpts of these recordings and she championed the publication. i can personally attest of reword, every caption come in every photograph had caroline's eye for detail and accuracy. i am sure to 90 writing that as well. also the author and editor of nine best-selling books of american history, politics. poetry. you can make that 10 best-selling boop -- books we heard "listening in" is now on the top 10 best-selling list. [applause] caroline serves as president of the kennedy library foundation for some of the programs the government could not support index airlines'

for five convicted cuban spies. gross's health has suffered. since his arrest he's lost over 100 pounds and his family is under strain. >> i've lost 80% of salary. i'm working full time and then i come home and i have almost another full time job working on bringing alan home. >> reporter: judy is suing the u.s. government and dai for up to $60 million. she claims they did not properly train alan for risks of working in cuba. >> the government sent him there and i'm footing the bill to try to get him home. >> reporter: for now judy hopes by bringing attention to her husband's case she will for the cuban government to set him free. for cbs "this morning," margaret brennan, washington. >>> senior correspondent john miller, welcome. >> good morning. >> why can't they get him out? what's the problem? >> this is complicated on so many levels. if he was a straight up spy, this would be much simpler. >> it would? >> it would be a spy trade. unfortunately, you know, what they are asking for is -- it's in the ballpark but a

they say he's been examined by a qualified cuban doctors. cuba is looking for concessions for five cuban agents who are serving sentences in the united states. >>> there is new information tonight about the changing conditions in the arctic. that frozen area is quite a ways from us here, but jay gray explains why experts believe that the changes there are affecting the weather here and everywhere else. >> reporter: in is an almost haunting beauty to the barren fields of snow and ice that stretch for miles across the arctic. but scientists say the landscape is slowly but steadily melting away. >> if we're not already there, we're on the verge of seeing a new arctic. >> reporter: in an online web conference, noaa released the latest data that shows an increasing water temperature and record lows in the amount of snow and ice in the region. >> we are surely on the verge of seeing a new arctic. we can expect to see continued widespread and sustained change with new record highs and record lows, depending on the variable you're looking at. throug

but freedom for the cuban five would inflame florida's cuban community. caught in the middle, alan and judy gross. >> send alan home. let him go. you've had him for three years. >> reporter: u.s. officials told nbc news that alan gross cannot be compared in anyway to the cuban five, who they insist had a fair trial and were convicted of serious crimes. lester? >> michael, thanks. here's erica. >>> in new hampshire, a group of kids who might not normally know much about lacrosse are learning a whole lot about the game thanks to one man's generosity. ron mott has more. >> reporter: michael garrett spent his fall pushing a sport these youngsters hardly know. he started inner city lacrosse for kids just like coby spence. >> i couldn't believe my ears when my mom told me you want to join lacrosse? i was like what? >> a lot of people can't afford to participate in extracurricular activities. sometimes you find yourself in that predicament. >> lacrosse, a lot of people think of it as an elite sport. >> it is. but let's change that. >> reporter: growing up in the

a couple words about cuba and our relative indifference to the suffering of cubans, ordinary cubans, but also disdense, people of conscious, people who starve themselves to death for example, and hunger strikes, why the extremes? i spoke to a great many people about the problem, our indifference to cuba, and i recall one saying it was one of the most puzzling and painful phenomena of our times. there's some, many people, but i think of one in particular, a man who ought to be famous. he ought to be on the cover the "time" and "news week," and he ought to be a big deal, ought to be songs about him, poetry, movies, movies of the week, ought to be o 60 minutes every other week. it's a man named oscar, a heroic man, a brave man, inspiring man, and a practitioner of non-violence, he got out last year, interviewed him as soon as i could. he's a follower of ghandi and martin luther king, and he's even black, but nobody cares or who who he is. they are on opposite sides of the great divide. he's someone who ought to win the nobel peace prize. give it to the ladies in white. these people who

but the cold war had calm down a big notch after the cuban missile crisis. and khrushchev and kennedy were working closely together to keep it that way. and he proposed the russians and the americans work together. the russians did not accept that. it is interesting to know that he proposed that. >> to bring another part of the space race to life, i would like to invite everyone to come to the museum. you can come to the museum into the technology they were debating about. i hope everyone will come and see it. >> it is a little. >> it's amazing. >> the cuban missile crisis. in an audio sense, almost completely documented. >> yes. what we have for you now is a short video on october 22, 1962, president kennedy made famous beach for the country where we heard for the first time something about what was happening. on that day before he made the speech, as he often did, as presidents often do, he got on the phone to his predecessors. one of them was president eisenhower. and first it is interesting to hear the mechanics of this kind of a call to a predecessor. b

old cars and buildings. 50 years of sanctions and communism under castro's government have hit the cuban economy hard. now under his brother, the country seems to be assuring in a new era by cautiously introducing free-market changes. >> hundreds of thousands of small businesses have been legalized over the past few years, and economic bonds have formed. you can already see some slight changes in the capital. picture postcard views of havana -- the old port with its docks and warehouses for tobacco and wood exports. just west of the harbor, the narrow streets of old havana and the white dome of the capitol building. this part of the city has been a unesco world heritage site for 30 years, but it is crumbling. 80% of the buildings need innovating. some are almost beyond saving. it is a different picture a short distance away. this building has been given a new lease on life by one of cuba's new generational of entrepreneurs. julio had been a chef for about 10 years. then he heard about this building. >> it was totally run down and in a terrible state. the local authorities allowed me to t

coming up, and maybe finally it right to free a maryland man from a cuban prison. that's the story from eyewitness news. >> good morning. it's about way battle. the ravens and redskins. i marked yeah. one eyewitness news continues. >> taking a live look outside. the wind and fog clear out. meteorologist tim williams tells us about the forecast. >> dance your way through history. i am sharon gibala last words is to celebrate holidays, they will be having a yuletide ball. coming up, we will tell about the special festivities focusing on the bicentennial year. that straight ahead. eyewitness news is seconds away. >> this is wjz tv, wjz hd, and wjz.com. baltimore. >> from the city to the counties to your neighborhood. now it's complete coverage. it's wjz, maryland's news station. >> good morning. welcome to eyewitness news this sunday. it is 8:01. >> i'm tim williams. it's a rainy start to the day, 50 degrees. but gasoline, some call. take a look out through the camera. it's not the prettiest of days. unfortunately, this is a day you are pretty much dealing with throug

the cuban missile crisis in slow motion.instrumental music) >> and north korea continues to make itself heard, regularly testing nuclear missiles despite international condemnation. >> it's estimated that the next time north korea tests a nuclear weapon it could be by highly enriched uranium, whereas the last two were believed to be through the plutonium route. so this is very problematic, not just because north korea having lots of fissile material is a bad thing, but north korea has a tradition of selling off anything that can garner hard currency on the open market. >> and though the soviet empire is a thing of the past, china is echoing the aspirations of its predecessor. >> there's no question that we're going to face a very serious challenge in the years to come, dealing with a rising china that wants to be dominant and hegemonic in its own region, wants to control sea lines of communication, wants to control the south china sea. and we have allies who stand to lose from that and look to us for support. i think that's

>> because the cuban missile crisis stands as it is.hat still becomes an act that has to be judged. it doesn't mean -- biographers are going to shadow it but -- >> the people on -- the people on that mountain now, should thomas jefferson be there? slave holder? had a longtime sexual relationship with a woman he owned. >> george washington. >> should george washington, a slave owner? should abraham lincoln, who said if i could stave union and preserve slavery i would do it but i can't so i'll free the slaves? >> mm-hmm. >> none of these people is perfect. at all. and, in fact, the point of having these conversations, i think, is to find the presidents or the people who for 15 minutes, when the crisis came, did the right thing and transcended how they treated women and how they treated minorities and how they treated weaker people. none of these people are perfect. >> as ken burns said, and i think he said it rightly, thomas jefferson was the man of the millennium. thomas jefferson, more than anybody else, was the author of individual rig

president, but i do described in the book some of the most startling information acquired from the cuban defectors, one of them in particular was the highest level most notable cuban intelligence officer to defect to the united states. .. >> thank you. i am david nassau and i am absolutely delighted to be here. as i tell my history students until they want to choke me, the past is a foreign country. we can visit their, we can try to learn the customs. we can translate the language, and we can feel the air and light. we can smith observances and recoil of the folders. the we are for. >> we are foreigners. writing about the recent past is not easy. while i was privileged to spend a lot of time talking to a lot of kennedys, it was difficult to weed as a historian, working with living people. i would much prefer to work with documents. you have to figure out what is true and what is not true. where the story came from. because the stories are all told with the same authenticity and vigor. the other difficulty about writing with the recent past is that it is not always easy or to establish on

missile cuban crisis.hen you talk about that and spent so much of your life and we associate you with john f. kennedy, what did we learn about him from the missile crisis and the way our government functions? >> he was a strong man and he had h character and he was able to stand up to the military twice during the bay of pigs and the missile crisis. he had tremendous pressure to go to war. under that pressure obama would have gone to war because he did in afghanistan. kennedy stepped back and that moment in history is the scariest for me and you perhaps remember, but we didn't know what was going on. they brought us back from -- we wouldn't be talking today. >> even most recently we had new evidence that president kennedy reached out to former president eisenhower for advice as to how to handle it. >> they gave advice. >> yes. there is a lost pressure on kennedy to invade. we didn't know about the nuclear weapons. there four times as many troops and three times as many cuban troops. mcnamara said we would

cuban officials say the u.s. is lying about alan gross's health. and it's unrealistic to expect cuba to free gross unilaterally. they want five cuban intelligence agent who are in florida to release him. now, gross is three years into a 15-year sentence for crimes against the cuban state. >>> a recue on the side of the road, involving one vehicle in harford county today. just before noon, a car went off winter's run road in joppa and wound up 40 feet down an embankment. rescue crews made their way to the vehicle. they found a 20-year-old man with serious injuries. they carefully remauved him. he was hoisted up to the road and taken by medivac to shock trauma. his condition tonight is unknown. >>> it's cooler today than it was yesterday. but that is not stopping people from getting out. we found people out working. working out at lake montebello today. you know what? cooler weather may actually be better when it comes to working out. good for your heart. now, let's take a look at what is happening outside with your temperatures as they start to drop

and then you hear the cuban missle crisis really brought them together where your dad was thinking, okayit's like the president's club. you read it. you suddenly realize once you're there, there are only a few people that know what you're going through. and your dad picked that up. >> especially eisenhower who obviously knew all these people and how they thought. it's also just so interesting to read it during a campaign because you don't know what's going to come up in the next administration. >> no. >> and how they're going to deal with what they're going to face. you know, you get a sense of how people approach problems. >> i like eisenhower's response. listen, are they going to shoot nuclear missiles at us? i don't think so. i don't think so. >> but all the military generals were advocating nuclear war. >> right. >> it's interesting that eisenhower, obviously the great military leader, was a lot less enthusiastic. >> so let's go to september, i believe, of 1963. here's a recording of martin luther king jr. in president kennedy's office after the march on washington and a deadly bombi

some of the greatest, frankie, some of the great cuban musicians have played with us.nity to go there and play was an unbelievable reception. we went to a lot of schools. we taught kids. the one thing that struck me most of all from years of teaching our kids, the one difference was that they don't have a generation gap. so it was -- it's not surprising to see 15 and 16 and 14-year-old students cheering a teacher in her 50s or 60s. we got to meet our ear training teacher. it portended well for us in this country some of the things we may have needed to move our culture along from the 1950s and 60s are not needed right now, and that was one -- and they have so many fantastic musicians there. >> how much are we losing in our country because we have cut back so much in the arts and music in our education and our public school education? >> well, we're losing a lot. not just in public schools. in private schools. we don't understand the arts and culture help us to focus our political and financial aspirations. if you don't have a cultural base, you don't really know who yo

he had the cuban missile crisis that defined his presidency f.d.r. had the depression that define his presidency this could be more importantly i think even the health care issue because look when you have eighty people a day dying because of because of our abuse and our lack of understanding about gun laws it can have a huge impact on his legacy i think tell you courage though yeah well do you do you think that his legacy is going to or a hands on this or do you think that there are i'm you know it seems like there are other very large issues that are the climate change being one of the really big ones that could compete with this i mean are we in the words is this just really really hot right now and it's going to fade over time or. it depends on what he does with it you know he has when he when he came into office we heard a lot of discussion about the need to do something and then we didn't see anything now obviously this isn't this isn't the defining moment is one of those moments where you know with kennedy for example there's a cuban missile c

we have to ask ourselves if our goal is to punish the cuban government or instead to help the cuban people. our goal should be to help the cuban people. further, we have to ask ourselves whether continuing the embargo will accomplish that goal. in my view, the answer is clearly no. it defies belief and 50 years of historical evidence to think that continuing the embargo will result in the toppling of the castro regime. that regime has survived 50 years of sanctions. fidel castro is 86 years old. raul castro is 81 years old. it is much more likely that old age and ill health will end their rule rather than the embargo ending their rule. nor will continuing the embargo into a sixth decade, which is what we are now in danger of doing, result in the release of allen gross or political prisoners in cuba or a sudden shift to democracy. a better approach is to build relationships between the peoples and businesses in the united states and the peoples and businesses in cuba. interaction is a more powerful driver of change than isolation. we should allow more travel. we should allow more communicat

i have sources from the cuban intelligence that sought documents in havana that proved this and there are declassified cia documents that give me the added assurance that he was a double agent working for fidel. he knew there for not only that the cia was trying to kill castro, but that bobby kennedy and therefore jack kennedy or behind the plodding. >> did you ever meet with him? >> i interviewed him in miami a few years ago. he shared some introspection with me. i asked him in particular why did you want to meet bobby kennedy? he told the cia candler by the way, he told the handler i want to meet with bobby kennedy. i want to hear from him that you all have the approval in this plot you have the approval of the highest american authorities. but he didn't meet with him. but the man i mentioned earlier, desmond fitzgerald did come in and he met with him in a safe house in paris and told him that he was bobby kennedy's personal representative, so the double agent went back and told fidel castro now we know for sure bobby kennedy, no doubt speaking with the approval of his brother wants

i mean, when you look at the cuban community in florida, a community that has historically voted super conservative and suddenly see an entirely new generation voting, and you see those numbers that they put up for obama. it was extraordinary. and i think that a lot of folks have very poor sense of what's happening in this country on the ground. i mean, they're kind of all the way up here, whether it's age, class, institutional divisions. and they don't really have a real kind of panoramic or even a deep view of the real sort of granular shifts that have occurred in this country, that have been occurring. >> if you took that grand narrative and reduced it to a very short story, what is it? what's the plot? >> i think the plot is that there is an enormous gap between the way the country presents itself and imagines itself and projects itself and the reality of this country. whether we're talking about the latino community in north carolina. whether we're talking about a very active and i think in some ways very out queer community across the united states. or whether we're talking about

it is a cuban thing. >> you got that cuban heritage in you.a big deal to shave that. >> this is worse than taking away your cigars if you're a cuban, but it is such an important thing. david and i do have a lot in common. don't always agree on politics, but we're parents and wolf, you know, when david had his first child, lauren, this beautiful young girl, took her home, he and susan, and she started having convulsions, and she had as many as 20, 25 a day. and the doctors couldn't stop them. they went on like that for 20 years before research advanced and they found a way to provide some relief. epilepsy. that's what epilepsy is. and these are parents who have struggled with that. and they're remarkable people, remarkable friends, and remarkable parents. so many folks out there. >> any closer, david, to a cure? >> it is very complex, the brain is so complex. there are 40 different kinds of epilepsy. we're making advances every day. there are small discoverys that add up. the key is to think outside the box. cure provides seed money. the money

and non-cuban latinos. so, in the second part of it, you start thinking about identity politics in a different way. if you are thinking of a group that has flexed its muscles by virtue of being part of a coalition, as opposed to having flexed its muscles as being a plaintiff, as having been alone, as being outsiders saying, "these are my claims and i am pressing these claims alone," as opposed to saying, "i have 33 achieved a level of success by being part of a much larger political establishment." >> okay. okay, interesting. so dan, you're nodding away. come in. >> a couple of things i agree with -- i think you need to see this and understand the latino vote as part of -- and certainly chicago viewed latinos and this president from, you know, multiple years back, saw them as part of a coalition and of a governing of both a political coalition, but of also a governing coalition. and there is historical evidence obviously for roberto was just talking about in terms of who engages what community, and their vo

>> no, we have not heart from from cuban government officials.the past, they respected chavez's privacy, allowed him to make the announcements. we expect him to meet him at the airport if he arrives today. but you can guarantee that cuban officials are following the developments here. one of the things that made chavez so influential throughout the region and the world, is he has really given away much of his country's oil wealth for securing cuba, nicaragua, and in a sense, that bought him credibility, power, and we just don't know if his successor would keep those kinds of generosity go books when and that's concern for officials here in cuba. >> appreciate that, thanks so much. did you see it last night? a historic night for one college student. as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios [ tylenol bottle ] me too! and nasal co [ tissue box ] he said nasal congestion. yeah...i heard him. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. n

the cuban side is totally different.negotiate. if one government says only the five, that doesn't mean that they can't still sit down and try and talk again and again and try until they reach something. >> senator cardin what sort of progress do you see being made here and do you think he's being held as a pawn? >> well it's clear he should not be held. what he was doing was helping a small jewish community gain access to the internet. he did it very openly. it took over a year for cuba to have a trial. he should be released. period. the end. he should be released because he should never have been detained. he should be released on humanitarian basis. cuba is hurting its relationship with the united states. those of us in the past who have been trying to get a closer relationship with can you barks release alan gross. you got to do it. >> do you think the united states will come to a point where they would be willing to release the five cubans in custody here in exchange for him? >> well i don't think that's as judy said