and can then as you say, we have the debate now between christie and a cucinelli example. obviously, one thing i think conservatives have to do is to quit killing each other. and to give each other a little room to breathe. so right after the election, you know, chris christie has beaten his opponent by a modern landslide, and he says after that, i'm a conservative. and in my view, he has had the sort of conservative impulses to try the lead with some conservative policy toes. he's obviously in a blue state. he's not going to have the same success that you have with that in hi home state of kansas -- in my home state of kansas, for example. so in my view you cut him a little bit of slack for the kind of lace that he has to govern. -- place he has to govern. but then republicans come in and call him part of this coalition, i mean, you know, they have all the rhetoric to suggest he's not a real conservative. it just seems to me that they have to give each other a chance to sort of play that out rather than, you know, try to cut each other off at the knees. and, again, i thin

could chanel he lost -- cucinelli lost. did that signal to the republican party that you cannot put up a tea party-oriented campaign? >> not to the tea party people. reading their comments the last couple of days, they are almost all along the lines of, we were sold out by the establishment. they thought he could have one, given the close margin. given theave won, close margin. >> there is no learning from that? >> i do not think so. >> i think the republicans have to learn how to woo and recruit the libertarians. the libertarian candidate was the deciding difference. there was only about a 5000 vote margin. >> actually, i do not think that is true. you look at the pre-election polls and the exit polls -- it was a protest vote, largely. those votes would have split almost evenly. i do not think, in this case, that that was so much an ideological vote so much as -- it was young people and independents who did not like either candidate, which was a large group. you had a large potential pool of people to appeal to. >> now, i