cullen?t: he's kept that silence behind the walls of the new jersey state prin where he is in protective custody to keep him safe from other inmates. protecting himself from his own demons has been more difficult, as we found out when we sat down across from him in a cramped cubicle separated by a thick layer of glass to talk about the people he's killed. is 40 an arbitrary number? >> cullen: 40 is an estimate. i gave a number between 30 and 40. i think i have identified, you know, most of them. >> kroft: look, you pled guilty to murder, but you don't use that word. >> cullen: i think that i had a word a trouble acceptthat i accept thaat >> kroft: do you consider yourself a serial killer? >> cullen: i mean, i guess it depends upon a person's definition. if it's more than one and it's a pattern, i guess, then, yes. >> kroft: in cullen's case, all his victims were patients assigned to hospital units where he worked as a nurse. they ranged in age from 21 to 91. some were critically ill. others w

>> i don't think charlie cullen knows why he did it. it's impossible to say.nterview, i was the only journalist he ever spoke to in jail during a sentencing through prison and i asked myself that question over and over again. this may be as close as we get to a look inside a mind of someone who may be america's biggest serial killer. he wouldn't have speak to anyone else or profilers at quantico. a very complicated man. >> amy, you worked with him, side by side and you were friends with him. when did you suspect he was the killer? >> i didn't. i didn't. until danny baldwin who was the lead detective, lead investigator for the engine prosecution. we were sitting across the table from each other and they were interviewing people. ing was going on but i didn't know what it was. he push thad piece of paper across the desk me privately and wanted to show me what was going on in the investigation, and i saw this pixis print out and i saw all of the medications. >> what is pixis? >> it's a dispensary for medication. so you punch in the medication that you want you ty

. >> rose: we kin this evening with mike barnicle of msnbc's morning joe kevin cullen of "boston globe" and john miller of cbs. >> if they think they will get us they don't know much. we care in boston about politics, sports and revenge. the revenge is the laughter of our children. these guys don't knowwhat ty did. every cop i talked to today, just hard looks and people are ready. and i have no doubt they'll identify who did this. boston is a tough town. it's the kind of town where people take two punches to land one. that was just one punch at us and we'll hit back. >> jon: re conclude with gregory doran the artistic director of royal shakespeare company of julius caesar. >> it speaks in the last 50 years in african since the country has began to gain their independence. looking at how many times rulers have come to power on a wave of popularity. they've been overthrown in a military coupe and plunged the country into civil war. that's the plot of julius caesar. we were doing a bit of work on the play, a year before we rehearsed it first. and while were -- we were doing this work the

the big picture rumble joining us our marc harrold libertarian commentator and attorney and vince cullen a senior online editor at the daily caller market thank you both for joining us and i thank you so let's start off by talking about the brain yesterday the president proposed this one hundred million dollars project to basically map the human brain it's called the brain initiative setting for brain research through advancing innovated innovative neuro technologies here's a clip of what the president said yesterday. as humans we can identify galaxies light years away we can study particle smaller them adam but we still haven't unlock the mystery of the three pounds of matter that sits between our ears there's this enormous mystery. waiting to be unlocked. the brain initiative will change that by giving scientists the tools they need to get a dynamic picture of the brain in action and better understand how we think and how we learn and how we remember and this research can also lead to new developments in how to treat all timers other brain injuries epilepsy things like that maybe you c

there is today, i think kevin will bare this out with me, kevin cullen, there's the initial shock thaty out to anna nicole smith rage that still -- gave way to outrage that still exists. there's no concession made to terrorists and no fear of the future here. >> rose: kevin? >> i feel the same way. charlie, unfortunately i have experience with this. i was in north ireland in 1998 when 28 people were murdered by bombs. i was in london the day after the 7:7 bombings. what mike saw i saw and experienced with my own eyes and heart. i saw it in oma, london and in boston today. if these guys, whoever it is, think they cow us, they don't understand us very well. in boston we care about three things: politics, sports and prevention. and the re-- sports and revenge. and the revenge will be the laughter of our children. these guys don't know what they did. i can tell you, every cop i talked to today, hard looks and people are ready. i have no doubt they'll identify who did this. boston is a tough town. it's the kind of town will people -- where people will take two punches to land one. that was

kevin cullen, thanks for joining us from boston. >>> next, george w.bush all over the airwaves and ducking most of the media's questions. >>> plus, the press corps takes its hits both from the president and conan o'brien. >> some people say print media is dying and i don't believe it and neater does my blacksmith. introducing new febreze stick & refresh with command strips from 3m. stick it to eliminate odors anywhere. like this trashcan. in like a flower field. aw man! [ screams ] [ laughs ] stick it almost anywhere. new febreze stick & refresh. breathe happy. >>> george w. bush has stayed far from the media spotlight this week all the living presidents which created television interviews. despite the best of the journalists he showed his skill at ducking questions. >> do you want people to look at some of the information you had and do you think you'll convince the people who thought it was an unjust war, the wrong war at the wrong time you were right? >> look, the whole purpose is to lay out the facts as i saw them at the time. and people make their

we're still with kevin cullen of "the boston globe." kevin, you've also written movingly about the victims and the contrast you draw between an immigrant like lu lingzi who only wanted to grasp everything america had to offer, then you brilliantly define that with these brothers who basically wanted to kill. >> yeah. what a beautiful girl she was. and she was exactly the sort of -- she came and took from america exactly -- i mean, we are a nation of immigrants. look around here, martin. everybody here -- we've got everything here. and i thought she was the classic example of the immigrant story. and, you know, she probably would have went back to china, you know, but who knows. maybe she would have stayed. the difference is how she came here and saw an opportunity. those kids threw all their opportunities away. and the other thing i was just talking to a cop, you know, this guy's like a, you know, a devote muslim, he says? this guy was selling grass. that's how he funded his lifestyle. i don't know any devout muslims who sell grass. i d

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joining me now is "boston globe" columnist kevin cullen. kevin penned a very moving piece about yesterday's event. he wrote, quote, in an instant a perfect day had morphed into something vis viscerally evil. we will get through this, but we will never be the same. thank you for your time. such tragedy in your city, kevin. you were walking around today. how is the city responding? >> well, al, i think you just used the right word. it's a resilient city. it's also a tough city. i think you know that. we -- in boston we'll take two punches to land one. and whoever did this to us, they didn't just do it to us. they did it to everybody. but it's going to take a lot more than that. we're not going anywhere. and i will guarantee you, al, next year, the boston marathon will have a record field. people will come from all over the world as they do every year. but more people will come. and we will show the people who did this what they -- what they bit off. because they can't chew it. >> the -- the 8-year-old young man, young boy, who was killed, wha

joining me now is kevin cullen.in, thank you for being here tonight. >> hi, al. >> what is your reaction to the video released of the suspects? >> well, al, being the resourceful reporter that i am, if you look over my shoulder there is a bar called the oak room. it's one of the finest rooms in boston. i very seldom drink there because the martinis are 18 bucks. i watched it with ordinary bostonians and i've got to tell you the reaction was incredibly restrained. everybody was staring at it and i was thinking, do i know these dudes? i've never seen them before. >> the reaction in the bar was what? when you say restrained, explain to me -- >> the restrain in the sense that nobody -- there were curses, get these you know whats. people were looking at them. do i know them? an older african-american woman turned to me and said, i wonder what their mothers and their fathers think. >> hmm. >> i was talking to our mutual buddy lawrence o'donnell last night. >> right. >> and we talked about the emphasis on the suspects. eve

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kevin cullen joins me now. it's amazing to me everywhere that people want to raech out and do something for your city. >> absolutely. case in point, my nephew is a squad leader of this third infantry group and those guys are really and probably one of the most dangerous places in the world right now and their immediate reaction when they heard about what happened in boston, the whole unit, not just my nephew, but all the kids under his command, what can we do, what can we do? i felt saying just the opposite. i want to send these guys care packages and they want to send us stuff. >> governor deval patrick has talked about this, too, about his visit with one of the victims of the bombing. here's part of what he had to say. we don't have it. well, what he was talking about was that how many veterans and current military who rush to the aid and i know you've spent a lot of the time over the last couple of days going and talking to these first responders and their stories are incredible. >> funny, chris, i wrapped u

and joining me now from boston is kevin cullen, columnist for "the boston globe.". >> thanks, howie. i hope he follows that up with a digital subscription. >> yes. >> look at all the dough we can get. >> you can send that note to the white house. now, you had a richly detailed piece in the paper the other day about the scene at the boat which dzhokhar tsarnaev was captured and you quote billy evans, who is the police supervisor on the scene yelling, "hold your fire," and turning to the s.w.a.t. team and saying "he hurt your guy, cuff him," before they took him out of that boat. >> yes. >> how did you get these police officers and firefighters to recount the story in such graphic detail? >> well, i guess, howie, the best way to explain it. you know, obviously, this is the most followed story, news story in the last two weeks in the world. but for us here at "the boston globe," it's a local story. so, one of the reasons -- personally, this has such an impact on me -- is that i know a lot of these first responders. i mean, i've known them for years and that's why i th

charles cullen admits to as many as 40 murders, though some suspect it's a lot more.took place over 16 years in seven different hospitals where

as dave cullen wrote at slate today, the older of the two boys, eric harris is the one who sought out the arms, collected the ammo, researched the big bombs they used, built all the pipe bombs, drew up the plans and diagrams, conducted the recon, calculated how to maximize the body count, cooked up batch after batch of failed napalm, and generally devised the plan. the other assailant at columbine, the younger one, mostly seems to have just gone along. after columbine, there was a long effort to try to figure out what might have motived that attack. there was what seems to have been a misguided focus on bullying as a possible motive for a long while. dave cullen's book on the massacre is called "columbine" mostly settled on a simpler truth that the dominant one between the two boys was clinically psychopathic. in terms of the d.c. snipers, 23 there was any coherent motive for committing the crimes, the motive has been obscured by time, by the incoherence by either suspect, by the fact that one has been executed now, and by frankly no one seeing it in the long run as the most important

. >>> joining me now is "boston globe" columnist kevin cullen. much for being with us. as you've just heard, they've got the charges laid out in this, i'm looking at it now. it's ten pages so far. in this initial charging document. but they've got chapter and verse so far against the suspect. how will that be received by the people of boston who have been trying to get their head and hearts around what has happened to them in the last few days? >> i think the, andrea, the prosecution of this guy is sort of a secondary issue for a lot of people in town. we have to bury our dead first. we have to heal our wounded. and we have to take care of our first responders. the justice system will take care of this guy. and i think everybody in town, i really have that sense on the street last week, that there was absolute confidence in town, that he would be found. and he, they both would be found very soon. and it's scary as everybody described, certainly was very scary for people in watertown, in that lockdown situation. i got a sense, just incredible quie

with us from boston, kevin cullen, columnist with "the boston globe." michael, you and i were just talking about, just with the volume of forensic evidence, how are they making decisions about what leads to pursue and sort of what to do with all this evidence? >> yes. there's a huge amount of physical evidence, digital media. that's the videotape and the like. and there's, of course, all the intelligence that we're not hearing about and we shouldn't hear about. the clandestinely collected human intelligence, signals intelligence. phone calls, e ma-mails and the like. what you have is a large joint terrorism task force in boston that is kind of collecting a lot of this. back in washington you have fundamentally every bit of the federal government, department of homeland security, fbi, putting hundreds if not thousands of people on this. prioritizing that is a really key element. at the very beginning, they're going to pursue almost everything that looks relevant. and really only later in the investigation do they start to narrow down what they cast aside

joining me now, "boston globe" columnist, kevin cullen.'ve written about this today, about what this mean for bostonians, for the people of massachusetts to have the marathon hit by terrorists. >> yeah. it was striking because if you saw the, some of the footage my colleague at the globe, still took some remarkable footage of the bombings. when that first bomb went off, you saw the first responders jump over, they pulled the barriers apart. they pulled all those flags down. because i mean, boston is an international city but the most international day in this town is marathon day. people ce they didn't attack boston. they attacked all those countries. they attacked all of us. >> and another thing that you wrote today in your column in the globe, you wrote, it would be wrong and a cliche to say we lost our innocence on monday as a plume of white smoke drifted high above boylston street as blood pooled on the sidewalk from the boston library as several limbs lay areplied the bruise asked the bloodied and the stunned. their ears bleeding. we

boston globe columnist kevin cullen is with me and first responder edzo kelly join me here as well.od to see you. >> gentlemen? >> gentlemen. i feel like we're thick as thieves now, i've seen you so much here. edzo, you're based, a stone's throw -- >> columbus. >> take me back to two mondays ago. >> my wife was running the marathon. and i had my kids at the firehouse. i was working that night. when i was finished working, she was going to take the kids home. my company is ladder 17, sounds like one are coming down the street now. when my wife, she was right here at boylston and berkeley, made it to the firehouse, i grab the my gear, we grabbed our gear, and ran up here. and just in the time it took us -- they did such a good job between the doctors and nurses, firefighters, police officers and emts on scene, and all the great citizens that stepped up that day, that they had all the victims already in the triage tent, being worked on and transported to the hospital. >> you said it was the victims' courage that so many of your colleagues were stunned by. >> i talked to lieutenant joe

kevin cullen joins me live.itey bulger, and your book, and never in a million years did i think we would be having this conversation. i read this column at 2:00 this morning. i can only imagine you penned it pretty late last night. why did you write it? >> yeah. well, i guess i wanted to try to capture what happened yesterday and what it meant to all of us here. but also, this is obviously bigger than a boston -- if you go down to the finish line there every year, all the flags from the different countries, all the runners there are lined on boylston street. boston is an international city anyway, but never more international than on marathon monday, on patriots day. and it was striking to me if you watch the first responders when they jumped out and they ran toward the bomb, and they had to pull the barriers back, they had to throw all those flags on the street on boylston street, and i described it in my column, those flags almost looked like victims. they were displayed on the street. and in some way they wer

the things that's really good about some of the local coverage is some of the older guys like kevin cullen from the boston globe i saw him on i guess c.n.n. had him on m s n b c had him on while they were talking about the. one fund they raised twenty million dollars and here's a guy going around boston. and he knows all the cops he's been down to these watering holes. cops he's been drinking with them easements weapons stories and when he looks for a source he can talk to somebody you can ask somebody and have a real conversation where somebody that just rolls into town. they don't have the same connections with people so that there's a real value in the old style of news reporting where people cover to be don't have connections and have relationships no good guy him as your wife ok i know she had to have her need so it makes a difference the way you can get information and trust things to handle things have changed a lot me back in the seventy's i spent seven years in news in lansing michigan in the largest station in that market there were five of us in the news department every station

kevin cullen from "the washington post" and chris jansing from "jansing & co.," thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, al. >> thanks. >>> ahead, the first lady on what we can all learn from boston. stay with us. >>> we've learned today the first lady will join the president as he heads to boston tomorrow. earlier today, the first lady spoke about the attack for the first time. she reminded us that this tragedy has brought out the best in the city of boston. >> what happened on monday was a reminder that in times of crisis here in america we respond with courage and grit and selflessness. that's exactly what we saw from the people of boston and from all those who rushed to aid the victims, especially the police officers and firefighters, the first responders, and our men and women in uniform. that is the spirit of boston but it is also the spirit of this country. >> and you better believe that's a spirit that can't be broken. i don't like to golf. i love to golf. ♪ [ grunts ] yowza! that's why i eat belvita at breakfast. it's made with delicious ingredients and carefully baked to re

cullen was killing people silently throughout the night and again, 40 confessions, megyn, never revealeddid it. to this day we don't know, but the nurse says she finally figured out that she was going on-- they thought he was being helpful getting the drugs delivered and preparing these medications. instead he was silently killing at least dozens if not hundreds. >> megyn: oh, goodness. trace, thank you. and dramatic changes for men and women at the stop of our military. how about peer review on who is is naughty and who is nice? in a democracy? and the white house weighing in on the philadelphia trial of the abortion doctor accused of killing viable babies on the operating table. where was the oversight? muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! polaris

. >> reporter: attorney stephen cullen is an expert in fighting international custody battles. >> if we went over there -- >> reporter: he's taken on shannon's case for free because he says even the united states government isn't helping. >> and it's horrible to have to admit to michael we've all failed him. the system has failed him. the legal system's failed him. we've all failed him because nothing has happened to get his children back. >> reporter: it is an international nightmare that began with a most american of love stories. in 1995 michael shannon was a computer specialist in chicago when his best friend invited him to a company softball game. the company was the engineering giant bechtel, and on that softball field he met a bechtel employee, nermeen khalifa, and fell in love. >> she was in your eyes american. >> americanized. yeah. i didn't find out until three months after we were dating that her father was born in cairo. >> reporter: her egyptian father was an extremely wealthy and powerful businessman who made sure his daughters, including nermeen, were born u.s. citizen

but last night on "60 minutes," nurse turned serial killer charles cullen confessed to killing as many0 patients. i'll talk to the nurse who broke that wide open that and much more next on "say anything." [♪ theme music ♪] >> joy: jimmy fallon may be take

attorney steven cullen. >> these are american boys, american citizens, they're not entitled to be egyptianens and they have been held in a foreign country for 12 years, and the government unfortunately has done nothing about it. >> reporter: michael shannon turned to an egyptian court for help, hiring an egyptian attorney to help enforce u.s. custody rights. the case was filed in 2002. it was postponed two years for translation until december 30th of 2004. then there was another two-year postponement until february of 2006. then nothing. despite sending billions of dollars in aid to egypt year after year, year after year, shannon has gotten almost no help from the state department in trying to get his sons back. when we asked susan jacobs, the state department's special ambassador on children's affairs, about the case, we were surprised to find out michael shannon is not alone. in this specific case, michael shannon has not even seen a photograph of his children in 12 years. >> i mean, and this is true in other of the 22 cases. i'm not going to speak about a specific case, but all of these

. >> "boston globe" columnist kevin cullen, that's the answer, isn't it? >> he's the best. i'm so glad you went. and i thought you captured -- that's our town. and kevin andrew is the best of the best. and you know, you mentioned that that school was hit so hard, and we talked about the firefighters last night. and one of the firefighters who went in there and is actually saw poor martin dead was a firefighter whose daughter was in that third grade with martin. so, again, small big town. >> i want you to listen to something that the mayor said this morning at the cathedral. let's listen to that. >> i'm telling you, nothing can defeat the heart of the city. nothing. nothing will take us down, because we take care of one another. even with the smell of the smoke in the air, and blood on the streets, tears in our eyes, we triumphed over that hateful act on monday afternoon. >> longest-running mayor in this town. has he had a finer moment? >> he's the best. that's tommy menino of the hyde park meninos and got out of his wheel chair and got up and did that. god love him. >> let'

. >> kevin cullen, bill flur ee, couldn't have gotten through this week without you guys. really appreciate it. msnbc's live coverage continues. >>> thank you for joining us on what was absolutely astonishing, incredible day of news, incredible week of news,en unbelievable, improbable and remarkable resolution to this five-day long manhunt. this is the scene in watertown, massachusetts moments after it was announced that the standoff was over, following the apprehension of suspect number 2, dzhokar tsarnaev, alive and in police custody at this hour. nbc news has obtained this video of an ambulance leaving the scene. the suspect has not been myrrh an di -- mirandaized. and broadly asserted by the obama administration, tonight the president spoke of what appears to be the end of the first chapter of this national episode. >> in this age of instant reporting, tweets and blogs, there's a temptation to latch on to any bit of information, sometimes to jump to conclusions, but when a tragedy like this happens, with public safety at risk and the stakes so high, it's important that

. >> kevin cullen, bill flurry, couldn't have gotten through this week without you guys. i c gotten through this week without you. thank you very much. really appreciate it. msnbc's live coverage continues. >>> today's newspapers. newspapers that are dated april 19, 2013 will not be read. a lot of things that will be in the april 20th, 2013, newspapers will not be noticed even if they get in there. today for example, you will be surprised to note that the republican governor of kansas signed into law one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country. the va ex pe dated the process for vets waiting on disability claims. the boy scouts decided they will stop discriminating. the fertilizer plant explosion, the death toll rose to 14 today. the date on which those things happened in the news will forever live on as historical news footnotes. however important they are or turn out to be in the long run, it will always be remembered about them if they're remembered as long-term stories. they will always be remembered that nobody was following them closely on the day that

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. >> reporter: attorney stephen cullen is an expert in fighting international custody battles. >> if we went over there -- >> reporter: he's taken on shannon's case for free because he says even the united states government isn't helping. >> and it's horrible to have to admit to michael we've all failed him. the system has failed him. the legal system's failed him. we've all fled him because chback. has hdo get his >> reporter: it is an international nightmare that began with a most american of love stories. in 1995 michael shannon was a computer specialist in chicago when his best friend invited him to a company softball game. the company was the engineering giant bechtel, and on that softball field he met a bechtel employee, nermeen khalifa, and fell in love. >> she was in your eyes american. >> americanized. yeah. i didn't find out until three months after we were dating that her father was born in cairo. >> reporter: her egyptian father was an extremely wealthy and powerful businessman who made nermeen, were born u.s. citizens. it wasn't long before michael shannon and nermeen kh

the best way to summarize the feeling in boston come from kevin cullen of the "boston globe." he wrote this in an article he called a perfect day turns evil. this is how bad it is. i went out monday night and bumped into some firefighters i know. they said one of the dead was an 8-year-old boy from dorchester who had gone out to hug his dad after he crossed the finish line. the dad walked on. the boy wept back to the sidewalk to join his mom and his little sister and then the bomb went off. the boy was killed. his sister's leg was blown off. his mother was badly injured. that's just one family, one story. that 8-year-old boy from dor chester is martin richard. his family today is asking for prayers and privacy. a vigil will be held for martin and his family tonight. the second person killed has just been identified as 29-year-old krystle campbell of medford, mass. she was reportedly at the finish line as a spectator. we're still waiting on the name of the third victim. and as we wait, there are two main aspects to this story now. what happened and the investigation into what h

. >> it's interesting, the columnist for the "boston globe" kevin cullen, he wrote something and at theit he said, this loss of innocence really boils down to a feeling that we'll never be totally safe in the city again. and there's a sense, i think, doris, people are still shocked at some level that it could happen to them where they live, and in some ways you thought we would move past that after 9/11 but not until it happens to you. >> i suppose that's true. we empathized so much with new york, when it happened to new york, yet it was in boston, and now it's boston and others are empathizing with us. i'm not sure i'll agree we'll never feel safe again. look at the numbers of people that poured into fenway. again, another potential target, just two days after they just had caught the character the day before, and they were just exalting in being together. they were singing, usa. i think peggy's right. the other side of this, it brings out the best in us, even as these terrible guys bring out the worst in themselves, and that has to be understood and it has to be used and we have to fi

. >> joined now by bill foray, managing editor of the "dorchester reporter," and kevin cullen, "bostonlumnist. this city has never seen a day like this in its history. >> never seen a week like this, lawrence. it's been quite a week. i think you and i talked about this. this is exactly how i thought it would end. >> you sat here each night with 100% confidence there will be arrest, they're going to get them. they're going to get them. we didn't spend time talking about it, we just knew that. >> absolutely. but the other thing, i think that the cheering and the release of nervous energy is natural. but as i sit here, i have to think about sean collier, a kid i remember was a civilian at at the somerville police department and his dream was he wanted to be a somerville cop. he got on -- i remember he told me he got in the academy, he was all excited, then got on m.i.t. police. he recently learned he was going to be on to go to the summerville police department. i hope posthumously that comes out of it, he's allowed to get that other banl because he was a great kid. he was a terrific kid.

. >> you know, the boston globe's kevin cullen, i thought wrote a great column yesterday about this inesponse to it. talked about a perfect marathon and then, of course, the unimaginable. >> this is how bad this is. he writes, i went out monday night and bumped into firefighters i know. they said one of the dead was an 8-year-old boy from dorchester who had gone out to hug his dad after he crossed the finish line. the dad walked on, the boy went back to the sidewalk to join his mom and little sister and then the bomb went off. the boy was killed, his sister's leg was blown off, his mother was badly injured. that's just one family, one story. >> the horror of that, mike. the absolute horror is just hard to imagine. it's hard to put into words, it's hard to -- as a father. >> sure. >> even try to imagine what he's going through this morning. >> yeah. well, just after the two blasts went off. i mean the freeze frame in your mind from past marathons at the finish line is it's an extraordinary day. an extraordinary day of joy and happiness, communal spirit, and the streets are filled with y