the old archival records from the cunard ship company were separated from them.rian: what did you learn from being out there? erik: i always say to go to the scene of the crime, if you will. being on a ship in the middle of the ocean -- you can think about it, i think you understand before you sail. there is nothing like being out there and realizing that it would be hours and hours before anyone can come to help you. i realize other things. for example, when you are in the middle of the ocean you can't smell the ocean. we are used to go to the beach and having beachy smells, but you can't smell it because there is nothing generating odor. it is sort of an empty scent. you don't smell the things that we associate with the sea. where the sea forms a boundary with the land. you don't smell that in the middle of the ocean. the other thing that was really striking, and this is relative to the story at hand, is that today whenever you sail on a cunard ship, before it leaves the dock, you have to muster your emergency station and you have to put on your life jacket and

cunard is very adamant about this today, is a voyage. -- it is a voyage.t was bound for liverpool. ordinarily, with the lusitania it was -- it would have been a five-day crossing. five days was a remarkable achievement in that time. but there was one aspect that proved to be unfortunate which was that cunard, a cost-saving measure, had shut down one of the boilers -- one of the boiler rooms on the ship. one of the four. brian: one of those stacks we are seeing? erik: each one of those finals came from the boiler room below. so only one of the boilers -- so one of the boiler rooms wasn't functioning which extended the trip and became very relevant for what occurred. brian: one of the things that you mention in the book is the history of coal and the impact that cole had on this whole trip. erik: yeah, it is one of the things i found very striking. outwardly, the ship is this beautiful thing. it is clean lines, huge glamorous, the whole deal. inside, amazingly labor-intensive with vast amounts of coal stored in the ship along longitudinal coal larders. the r

. >> i can also add, what you're seeing this thing is a cunard in this is what obam apted to do anyway goal anyway to lower these emissions and the idea he struck a deal with china that makes it more you know, that something we could actually swallow and digest. this is the irony of it all. how much is this going to cost america? >> a lot. >> significantly higher electricity bills, hundreds of thousands of jobs, billions out of everyone's pocket poor to rich, small business to big business. stuart: will he get away with it? >> yes. the media said it is great deal. stuart: me? >> the media! well, they think -- stuart: what about us? >> block and tackle. >> here's what i truly believe is going on. this is the president if you look at arc of his policies and consequence forget the rhetoric and the nonsense that accompanies it all. but as you look at arc of these policies and their impact on our economy, they are deleterious, constraining and limiting, and on us. not anyone else in trade not any one of our trading partners, the reality is the consequence, and you have to follow that when y