>> tom donald -- and then a whole bunch of people, michelle was the undersecretary of defense, curt campbell, a whole bunch of people. jim stein becker the former deputy secretary of state. the people who came of age and began working on foreign policy in the 90's. >> rose: who was for what? >> i think that 90' so the holbrook generation always had in mind the disaster in vietnam. it's not that they were necessarily, and i warned people they weren't really of the left wing of the democrat party sometimes they campaigned against left wing but they had to deal with vietnam. the second generation comes of age after the end of the cold war. america has no competitor it's america's unipolar moment and america is at the pe of its posterity. >> rose: hillary clinton, robert gates. >> gates i would call of the vietnam generation, tom donald and certainly curt campbell, michelle, floyd -- >> rose: his wife. >> right. and the obamians have an entirely different range of experience. they're not even, they're not, they are teenagers or in one case not even born when the vietnam war ended. >> rose: that'