now curt moore have 20 dealerships. him and travis reed, the guy who gave him a job, just closed on their first building and in that 42618 zip code, which is the worst zip code of city of indianapolis. they bought a building. they will detail cars and do collision repair work. >> has about 15 employees. >> curt has, no, not 15 now. he has 25. >> wow. >> employees. when you talk about grassroots people, real change come from the bottom up, not top down. bureaucrat can not change grassroots people. when you talk about making real, real, impact in lives of people, when i think about curt and, this is amazing to me, bob, it is amazing to me, bob, he has two locations now. a guy who just got out of prison six years ago. but not only is there curt moore, there is mark webster. these are boot camp guys. mark has a catering business. nobody would hire them. there is capacity in a lot of grassroots people. we just need an opportunity. >> absolutely. >> bob? >> yes. >> we'll segue into the next segment but as we do, let me somewh

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