it was parts of the iron curtin. and i still have the one that i was given. it's a piece -- some of the barbed wire that represented the iron curtain. so that had happened a little bit before, but no one really anticipated the events that occurred on november 8th and 9th. >> do you have any sections of the wall? >> we have sections -- i have a section of the wall. i'm speaking to you from the baker and james baker institute at rice university, and we have a big section of the wall right outside our building here on the campus of rice university. in fact, i was -- we had an event here not long ago with the foreign ministers who were serving at that time for great britain, france, and the united states and germany, i think. one of the most moving things for me, john, was when the day after this all happened, i got a call from the west german foreign minister. i answered the phone and said hello. before he could come on the line, his secretary said mr. secretary, i have minister gensher for you. before i put him on the line, may i just say to you god bless ameri