this is curtis yarvin who j.d. vance is citing here as he is talking about the need to seize the universities, destroy -- use the government to destroy businesses who aren't right wing, talking about needing to rip out the american system like a tumor. here's the guy he is citing as his, sort of -- the source of his thinking on these matters. >> so, i've raised this very complicated problem to a simple four letter acronym which is r.a.g.e., which stands for retire all government employees. very, very, very simple. now, the problem with this is, why have we never heard this before? why has no one suggested let's get rid of this thing. what is government? a government is just a corporation enjoying the country. nothing more, nothing less. it so happens in our corporation, very poorly managed. and there is a very simple way to replace them which is what we do when all corporations have failed. we simply believe them. we haven't been able to do that. >> we should delete the u.s. government because it's stale. it has be

big ideas come from about where the country is heading for -- quote -- "vance is friends with curtis yarvinal influence," yarvin the main political influence on all of the people who have supported j.d. vance throughout his career, including paying to install him in the u.s. senate. when j.d. vance says stuff like, "we're in a late republican period," which is something he says all the time, he doesn't mean anything about the republican party. he means we're at the time right before the roman republic collapsed. and what happened after the roman republic collapsed? well, whew, a dictator, caesar, came in, and wasn't that better? he talks about being in a late republican period all the time. that's him channeling this guy, yarvin. when vance says universities are the enemy and they should be seized, he's not only channeling elizabeth dilling and allen zoll and all the weird far right crusaders against the universities from the '30s and '40s. that would be troubling enough. he's also channeling this guy yarvin, who says that, while we are firing all the government employees, we should do the

looking at the books he reads and maybe his mentors and benefactors, like curtis your oven -- curtis yarvin and others that they have talked about a little bit, but they do not really do a deep dive. involved in a movement called the dark alignment. [indiscernible] to say the least, they talked about destroying democracy, having their own country outside of the united states, silicon valley and venture capitalists, and all these -- a lot of these people are atheists. said he was a catholic. host: what are you going to be watching for in the debate? caller: well, i would hope that they would ask some harder questions about the backgrounds of both candidates, both vice presidential candidates. i do not know much about tim walz, but i do not think he reads this type of material. host: have you read jd vance's book, "hillbilly elegy"? caller: i have skimmed it, have not read the whole thing. host: all right. let's talk to willie in north carolina. caller: good morning. i find myself voting for president trump because of policy. the personal attacks on both sides -- host: go ahead. caller: yes,

looking at the books he reads and maybe his mentors and benefactors, like curtis your oven -- curtis yarvinnd others that they have talked about a little bit, but they do not really do a deep dive. involved in a movement called the dark alignment. [indiscernible] to say the least, they talked about destroying democracy, having their own country outside of the united states, silicon valley and venture capitalists, and all these -- a lot of these people are atheists. said he was a catholic. host: what are you going to be watching for in the debate? caller: well, i would hope that they would ask some harder questions about the backgrounds of both candidates, both vice presidential candidates. i do not know much about tim walz, but i do not think he reads this type of material. host: have you read jd vance's book, "hillbilly elegy"? caller: i have skimmed it, have not read the whole thing. host: all right. let's talk to willie in north carolina. caller: good morning. i find myself voting for president trump because of policy. the personal attacks on both sides -- host: go ahead. caller: yes, th