cawing ) cusack: ...it wasn't. peep: oh, no, it's those blue jays. let me do the talking, okay? and hide that ball. ( inhales, then gulps ) hey, it's peep and chirp. what are you doing? uh, nothing. ( chuckles ) not a thing. we were just leaving! a ball! would you look at that? nice, big ball. oh, a beautiful ball. ( bird laughing ) be careful. it's not yours, you know. we'll be careful. we're always careful. careful is our middle... uh-oh! uh-oh! chirp: oh, no! now look what you did. cusack: it's always the same with blue jays, isn't it? they don't mean to cause trouble, but when they show up, something goes wrong. look at the time. we got to go. blue jays: bye-bye. they make me so mad, those guys. ( thunder rumbling ) and now it's raining. ( groans ) come on, peep. peep: hmm... hey, chirp, look at that. it's floating right to the top. peep, bend down. what? why? ow! hold on... wait... i've got it! oh, no! oh, no! ( both groan ) there it is! hooray! hooray! hooray! whoo-hoo! yeah! cusack: and so the afternoon wore

cusack: they still didn't know what their toy was... ( giggling ) cusack: but you know what?ters anymore. ( laughing ) look at that! it's a swing. ( yells ) could you move a little bit? yes, that's good. okay, that's right. oh, over to the side. if you just scoonch that way a little bit, and then, oh, hmm... quack! there we go! that's it! perfect. ( laughing ) girl: that's me and that's kiana. we're looking for things to make things. we're recycling. i found this. ( giggles ) girl: and this is, like, a pie container. this place is our workshop. i'll make a hat. girl: kiana is using a rubber band to attach her hat. i like the hat, kiana. thanks. it's floppy. ( both laughing ) girl: this is one of my beads. the cap. ( rattling ) girl: it's a musical necklace. see how it makes noise? this is just made out of junk. i didn't really need scissors or tape or anything really expensive. now it's a drum. ( slapping simple rhythm ) ( scraping ) girl: we are making some nice musical instruments. ( clicking ) ( beads dropping ) ( clattering ) i like the sound of that, kiana. girl: try fin

cusack: but peep, being peep, couldn't forget it. ( peep groaning ) whoa!, yellow ship's captain in history. ( whistling "sailor's hornpipe" badly )

peep: green island or bust. ( groaning ) bye, quack. ( sighs ) cusack: in all their explorations, oneterious, unreachable green island. ( laughing ) ( laughing ) green island. think of it-- island flowers. island breezes. hey...

with us now the managing editor of the hill newspaper, bob cusack. good to see you. >> hey,. >> trace: trace don't you love how each side thinks the other sized just being absolutely ridiculously stubborn on this? >> both sides -- they're dug in, and i think that we are headed for a shutdown. harry reid today saying, no chance they're going to change anything, including the medical device tax, repealing it, which had bipartisan support but they're saying they're not going to change one built of obamacare as part of this debate. so that's where we're headed. harry reid and john boehner are not even talking to each. that's different than two years ago when we almost had a government shutdown. there was constant talking in the hours and days up to the possible shutdown, and it was averted. this time we're not going to avert it. >> trace: i was going to mention. they're not talking. there's no negotiation going on right now at all. so you have the house republican members huddling right now and will come up with some strategy. what's the next strategy? w

bob cusack is managing editor of "the hale." how big an uphill battle is the president facing, first of all with congress, and second of all with the american people when he comes and speaks to them on tuesday night? >> this is a huge hill to climb. basically this is mt. everest. he's so far down in the votes especially in the house. can he turn around? it's possible. i don't think it's going to be political speeches that are going to get the job done. i think images are at the start. i think you're going to have to get survivors of these chemical attacks on national television to convince the public. peter doocy was saying, constituents are calling their members and saying, absolutely not. 95% to 99%, sometimes, members say. democrats are saying that. from liberal districts. so the president has a very difficult task here. they had a number of missteps right out of the gate. had a broad resolution that was sent to congress, rejected by democrats as too broad. so they rewrote it. also they didn't call congress back in right away

gregg: bob cusack, managing editor of "the hill." bob, good to see you. >> good morning. gregg: mike rogers, who of course is the chair of the intel committee in the house, he thinks in the end the congress will back the president. peter king says no way. what do you say? >> i think, gregg, if the vote were discernly in the house i don't think this would succeed. but the vote is not today. the administration has some time. i think it is very important this meeting with senator graham and mccain today because the president needs a republican ally and graham and mccain want of course the president to go further. they don't just want a limited strike. he has got to get them on board. what we're hearing from the house, especially some leaders including cathy mcmorris rogers, who is the number 4 house rep be can, she says she is skeptical. gregg: congress is noted for its dysfunction, so this will be a tough one but the president compounds it because he is got, he has got to rally his own democratic base, right? >> yes. gregg: there are certain democrats against this thing. wi

let's bring in bob cusack, the managinged did for of -- editor of the hill newspaper. carl calls this a kamikaze measure. it's not going to pass. it's going to go down in flames. but john boehner makes a good point. not just a bunch of nutty house members. 54% of americans are against obamacare so the house is fighting for the majority of americans. >> they are. the polls on that specific issue are good for the republicans-bad for democrats and the out white house. the white house has threatened to veto it if it gets to his desk. it won't. it's going to die in the senate. the republicans are going to get blamed the government us shut down, and right now better than a 50-50 shot of a shutdown. the relationships on capitol hill, very sour. worse than they've every been, and this whole debate was pushed back a week because of syria and the clock is ticking. >> trace: do you think it goes to the senate, is it it in republicans' best effort to drag this out and shut down the government, filibuster, whatever they have to do to push this to the evening, or, as some say, does

are talking bob to sack, the managing editor -- bob cusack, the managing editor at "the hill" newspaper. as has been getting a lot of attention, give us the back story of why this video was released. guest: it was released because they honestly lack the votes. we have seen some footage on , butbe before yesterday these were released to cnn. and it shows you that the administration needs to make the case to the american people because the problem before the white house is that a lot of constituents are calling their and they are not convinced. elijah cummings is a democrat 80 lot ofand and supporters for the president live in that district -- and a lot of supporters for the president live in that district. releasing these videos is part of that and trying to make it a case on a personal level, to look at what happened to these children. isthe same time there conflicting information from the different sides in syria. there have been allegations that these videos were staged. the beginning of the process. it can go on. the house looks like it probably won't vote this week. if the count con