chairman perry firearmsabout the 150 unaccounted for by the cvp.an you respond to why we have not gotten a response on this? >> i was unaware you did not receive a response yet. >> how about government agencies be responsible to the united states congress and respect our requests for information? ok. to one thing on the visa overstays. bombing, the original person of interest taken to hospital, turns out he was a visa overstay. he was supposed to go to ohio university and was over in massachusetts as a student at another university. why didn't ohio let the u.s. government know that this german who came to the university on a student -- that this gentlemen who came to their university on a student visa was no longer enrolled there? gentlemen is not in the country anymore by the way. an exit system. right now we are checking airline manifests. if i go to japan i'm going to scan my thumb when i'm leaving, they will know i left the country. congress has mandated that system. what are we doing? >> i'm not aware that japan is doing biometrics on departur

cvp is cvp is engaging in a series of experiments such as the use of mobile devices with biometric readersigned to support a future exit system. in fact, until recently the political will to make biometric exit a reality was mising. it appears the department has finally turned the corner. secretary johnson is now committed to a 2018 roll out of a biometric exit system at the highest volume airports. an ambitious timeline long congress overdue. congress provided a steady funding stream in the form of new fees to enable investments. putting the system in place as the nhl commission noted. without a viable biometric exit system visa holders disappear into the united states. just as the hijackers were able to do. once we identify over stays we must dedicate resources necessary to properly remove those in the country illegally. otherwise we put citizens at risk unnecessarily. even as we dedicate scarce resources to pursue this small subset of over stays up to 25% of the group was found to have already deparking lotted the united states after ice special agents conducted full field investigation

it was really a collaboration between cvp and smt to look at the issue. we brought in all of the stakeholders that would have to deal or be impacted by what we were doing. it was important to bring in the airline industry and everybody that would be a part. the first couple of months was getting everybody to identify the problem from a operational perspective but also from airline operational perspective as well. the team was broad and inclusive. we worked with industries small and large business to identify the technology. the three we deemed would sit in this construct, to bring them across the border to start the process. biometric technology is here to stay. i think it will help answer the question. the issue is, its application within the environment. the simple thing is lighting or the environmental conditions of humidity will impact how we work it. we ran a series of operational simulation to see how well pieces would come together and all of that information is provided to cvp so they can build into their longer acquisition program. we started kno

through this cvp arrested the times square bomber. last year cvp arrested 379 as a result of departure manifests provided by carriers. we use this arrival and departure information to generate over stay lists on a daily basis. determining lawful status can be more complicated. a person may get a six month admission period at the time of entry but apply for an extension relevant to determining if they are an over stay or not. lists need to be carefully kor rate lated against other systems and organizations. the over stay lists are run through the automated targeting system. we prioritize these records. that information is provided to ice for appropriate action. the over stay report along with the comprehensive entry and exit plan provided in april articulates the foundation for incorporating biometrics into the exit aspect of the system. the information we are using is actionable but can be enhanced with a biometric upon a departure to validate and confirm the information. unlike past attempts to deploy an exit system the challenge is

cvp is in the process of pulling it together in terms of the automation process, which is making it alot easier for us. in terms of our local engagement, through our field offices, task forces, we are tight at the hip with our state and local partners. they are also can be a part of the process as well. so in terms of what i would hope for, i would hope we would continue to move in the direction that we're moving and i think that we will get there >> soon. >> thanks. i do want i do want to follow up, i thought about in preparing for this hearing, right now if somebody overstays less than -- what is it? they can't come in for two years if it was a short overstay and can't come in for ten years if it was long overstay. three and ten. and those are really the only disincentives or accountability items. would would it be valuable to provide some other accountability to visa overstayers to make it a crime? to to have some fines? to have maybe a little bit of harsh harsher penalty of harsher penalty of not being able to reenter? are there any disincentives we should consider? thoughtful dis

by the spring of 2010 we had come to a point that a cvp officer was literally moving linking information meaning the dots on muslim brotherhood linked individuals from text while the administration was bringing the very same individuals in to positioning of influence to help create and implement our counterterrorism policy both in the domestic arena and in foreign policy arena, as evidenced in our overt support of the muslim brotherhood in egypt, libya, algeria and syria. fast forward to august 30, 2011, the tabliq court case was approved by the chief counsel of the tent of homeland security and this san icon of the movement, one of the largest in the world outside of the united states is called the army of darkness. i began a tdy assignment meaning tear duty at the national targeting center in november of 2011. within six months we had instituted 1,200 law enforcement actions on the case that we had started, but in september of 2012 what i call the second great purge when the administration removed 67 linking records out of that case that had direct ties both to the san bernardino mosqu