had wonderful experiences with new age religion though note-- remember how the ramtha people and cynthia jones kind bridled at that term new age. they didn't particularly like it so it's a sociological term. but new religious movements, new spiritualities that are emerging, they are new, they are different. if it's different let's hate it. no! let's not. that's the attitude that we want to overcome here just because it happens to be new. skeptics, atheist, humanist, some of the most religious people i have ever met have been the atheist, they have a huge-- you can take the six dimensions and track it right on down. so, these are kinds of people in society that might not reflect the prevailing values, new revelations that may have an intense way prosthetising such as the unification church sometimes called moonies or scientology is always popping up because of various issues that people take with the establishment. anything else we might have here, going through the graphics; occult groups. these are kinds of religious as you seeing millennial groups once again, occultist groups, spiritualists;

. >> that's a wonderful connection to our discussion i believe when cynthia jones was here, people say, "well, why a witch?" why would you want to use that term. you may be quite right. if you don't - if we - do we have to just jettison terms like cult because there is no way that you can get out of it being pejorative. i, in my thinking i mean i have come around to a place where understanding cult as innovative in my own mind it becomes more of a positive kind of word but i fully realize, if we took a poll and said who wants to belong to a church and who wants to belong to a cult? people are going to come up and have a negative feeling about it. i just don't know if gordon who is certainly a world expert is beginning to move away from this particular typology. i wasn't quick enough to zoom in there with the question which i will ask him at some other point stick in the study guide i guess. but okay gordon and what is the next typology i mean when you are talking about different groups in a dynamic way. now one thing i am thinking about is our ecological model. that you - first you nee