not everyone and cynthia miller n.p.r.'s thank you for having me am a professor at american university where in washington d.c. where i direct the polarization and extremism research and innovation lab our peril and i also recently finished a book called hate in the homeland the new far right. time mays and cynthia thanks for joining us and have a shine and welcome to the string it she's half. i'm shannon foley martinez i am a consultant apparel where dr miller just works i am also a former violent white supremacist i've been out of the movement for over 25 years and i work towards helping off ramp and disengage people who are currently still in far right spaces. and my area of passion is actually working on prevention so that we can better an ocular people from ever finding residence with with any of the stuff in the 1st place i also have 7 kids hence why i'm coming to you from like bunker shadow here it's the only place i could talk to one of those hurts me. shot i'm looking forward to him welcome you in just a moment min