frontrunner in recent weeks and months in this race, not all of the candidates have declared yet, is cyril ramaphosan. h is interests go across industries, and he is a renowned lover of the good life, if you put it that way. if you talk about the crisis in the anc, would he be a man capable of addressing it? well, as i said, every organisation gets the leaders it deserves. we deserve president zuma, as members of the anc. so... mr ramaphosa, and all the others who have raised their hands for leadership positions in the anc, have done so in spite of a directive by the national executive of the anc, which is the highest decision—making structure. they have issued a directive to say, please, let no—one begin to speak about names. let's not get too procedural. the nominations will only begin in september. let me ask you just a very simple question with a simple answer required. who do you believe, when looking at the individuals who have expressed an interest in being the next party leader, who would be the best one in your personal view to take the anc out of the mess it's in? i don't know, quite frank