and lawrence, as you suggested, these letters suggest that there is involvement to people in washington d. c. that may very well amount to a criminal conspiracy going all the way up into the white house. >> senator classical, this is a version of identity theft. arizona had electors, duly elected electors. pennsylvania had duly elected electors. they were pledged to joe biden because joe biden won the state. to have other people, and you have this arizona state representative writing a letter that is regaled on the mayoral matter show tonight, to mike pence, saying we have other electors. this is what's happening in the world of identity theft every day. except they were trying to do it on january six. >> yeah, it's really democracy theft. masquerading as identity thrift. it is taking away the photos of the american people, and the decision that they made. and i might point out here that all roads lead to rudy giuliani. all of them. he was the ringleader of this circus. and when you think about that phone call you reference to senator, i don't know, i think he called someone and thought it w