d. watkins grew up to get a better sense of the mind-set. >> so this is your mind-set?yeah. >> down the hill? >> yeah. this is east baltimore. just like west baltimore, oppressed, high unemployment rates, high team pregnancy rates, low life expectancy. this seems like a working class neighborhood. >> robbing peter to pay paul, just trying to make it. a lot of working class people and some amazing people around here. they work three jobs just to survive, to live a simple life. >> how are you doing, officer? your experience with police officers, many of them, those took place in this neighborhood. >> if you live in an area that's, you know, like a black area that's poor, police officers don't enforce. i mean, they don't protect and serve, they enforce. >> did you ever have interactions with the cops? >> no. >> fortunately you don't, right? >> right. >> do you ever see it? >> yes, all the time. >> what do you see? >> harassment. >> like what? >> just me the messing with them for no reason, just jacking them up, checking their pockets, not doing anything at the end. they'll

d. watkins a writer and professor and by his own admission a former drug dealer.t the toxic relations between baltimore's police and african-american residents. we invited him to put those thoughts on camera. >> baltimore city police officers are out of control. i can't remember having a positive experience with a police officer ever. if you are a black person and in a black neighborhood that's poor they speak to you like you are not a person. it's never like hey how is everything? a lot of what the "f" are you on the corner? they see me as an animal or thing. they pull their guns out and make everyone lay on the ground and crack you on the back of your head. disstrus is not a new thing. it's been going on forever. everyone i know has been dealing with police brutality. the police officers in baltimore don't live in baltimore. their first experience with a black person is when they get a license to kill. everyone should be upset. everyone knows what's going on. they can see it. we do need peaceful protesting. we need those clergy men to step up. violence brings ab

d. watkins, a provocative op-ed.e argument that -- i don't want to say justifying the riots, but rationalizing them. >> he is a truth offriend of mine. the truth is the frustration he is expressing the distrust, this is real. this is real for not just people in baltimore, but for people, many people in many communities, especially communities of color around this country. that's what law enforcement needs to be at the tip of the spear of their own reformation. one, this situation is making them less safe. the second thing, they are not able to recruit. specifically recruit in communities they need people. it's about human intelligence. when i was a paratrooper, we relied on human intelligence. if people don't trust you, they couldn't cooperate with you. >> i had a mayor said they know when the police force is working, there's trust in the community, by the percentage of crimes that are solved. homicides in baltimore is 45%. what does that tell you? the community is not helping the police solve crimes. >> if you look

d. watkins today, around his neighborhood and he showed me around and showed me what the problems are. but he also reacted earlier today regarding this preliminary report. take a look. >> the trust of the baltimore city police department is at an all-time low. we don't trust these medical examiners, don't know who they are or what they're doing. the family hasn't seen the documents yet. we should wait for the result. but again, if his neck was broken in the back of that van, obviously whoever was driving that van is a murderer. if you look at the video, his legs were limp. it definitely doesn't look like it happened in the van. >> he's passionate about the mistrust, he's passionate about not believing the report. and many people in the community are the same way. where does that come from? >> that comes from years of neglect. that comes from years of abuse. one of the things people don't necessarily understand, when you live in a neighbor and your neighborhood is a military zone in the sense that the police are always there, they're asking you questions, they want to stop you, they wan

d. watkins. he grew up here.ently writes about his run-ins with city police when he was young including a new op-ed published in "new york times" that you should read. we're also joined by baltimore sun reporter justin feinton who's covering this situation. thanks to both of you gentlemen. let's start with the news. okay that the van made an extra stop. it was undisclosed. what does that mean to you that it was undisclosed? >> it's potentially significant, but we don't know. you have to question why we didn't know about it. and yet we don't know why police threw that out there yesterday. it could be as simple as the van driver stopped to get a coke and didn't tell anybody. so it's a big question about what exactly that represents. >> one reason that they might want it out there is what does it show professor? it shows that the cops dealt with a little bit of deception, right? someone didn't tell them something but they ferreted it out anyway. what's the message we can police our own, we can investigate our own, d