d.a. fani willis since the release of that indictment has been in court for pretrial hearings. ade sense because it put the defense on notice of the kind of prosecutor, trial lawyer, litigator that fani willis delivers, the type of work and pns that she does. it was straight work today, and that's what was needed because this is the first time the d.a.'s office was on the offensive. on prior hearings it's been defense motions to dismiss, but today it was the state's motion to revoke his bond and harrison floyd shows no discipline. he doesn't listen to his lawyers, he doesn't listen, but now we have a much more narrow modified bond orderch. >> when it gets violated then he goes to jail, right? >> yeah, and i think what happens today is judge mcafee basically put harrison floyd on notice as well. i've given you a chance. and the judge made clear i'm not giving him a second chance, i'm just saying there needs to be more nuances in light of the fact social media exists. and i think it was acknowledgement wave got to check up. the judicial system has to catch up with social media. wh

d.a. fani willis saying today? >> reporter: for the first time today willis giving "the washington post" her estimate of when she might be able to bring her sprawling rico case to trial, the case filed against former president trump and some of his allies. take a listen to when she expectations to complete this. >> i believe in that case there will be a trial, i believe the trial will take many months. and i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the early part of 2025. >> reporter: prosecutors have said they expect that case to last between four and six months. if you look at the calendar for 2024, it's pretty crowded and you can't find a chunk of time that large until later in the year. willis said she does not take into consideration the election calendar, but the fact is many of those are not election events, they are other criminal trials. the calendar doesn't free up until later 2024, which is why she likely expects to bring this trial late next year and possibly into 2025. >> interesting. pau

d.a. fani willis to request an emergency protective order.ing today's hearing judge scott mcafee gave a not so subtle indication that he would grant that order saying the case should be tried and not in the court of public opinion. that order is expected to come as early as tomorrow morn. joining me now is melissa redman, fulton county deputy district attorney and msnbc legal analyst. thanks for being here. i have a question in speaking to prosecutors in and around town, would it have been possible for d.a. willis to wait until a protective order was in place before circulating discovery materials like these proffer videos? >> well, that was a conversation i'd have to say former deputy district attorney of fulton -- it is possible and it actually came with the speedy trial demand earlier i believe in october that the request was made for a protective order to go along with the discovery but they wanted to provide it at that time as soon as possible and subject to the court's pretrial order of deadlines when the discovery to be provided. ask w

d.a. fani willis, either of those cases? >> yes and no i would generally speaking say no especially when it comes to fani willis's case. she's gotta move forward because she's looking at state statutes in georgia and the recall law. and the way that they cases construct it is entirely different. with respect to jack smith i think he's already someone who put his ducks in a row in a particular way over how he has constructed's history of the case to move forward. whereas i don't think that either of them would ignore the decision anything that comes from it. i don't know that it's gonna impact what both of them have planned, in terms of how they are going to litigate these cases. >> okay so anything and how important is it that the judge found that donald trump did participate in an insurrection? i mean it is, that is not something that i've heard before, that's not something that puts a question on the table. it seems like the colorado judge answered. >> absolutely i think the question is, who is it important to? there are di

d.a. fani willis as well. she said her case against trump could stretch into winter, and then early 2025. just to be clear, for anybody paying attention, that would of course be likely post-inauguration of a new president, which could be donald trump if he wins. so, what does this actually mean? >> well, you might recall that when the case was first brought, i said that i didn't believe that case could go to trial until 2025. and if trump is elected, there is a significant issue about whether the state court can proceed against him and if it's in the middle of proceeding as to whether they cawith him as t. the federal rule, which is only a policy, it's not in the constitution, it's not a statute, is that you cannot prosecute, you can't indict or prosecute a sitting president during his term. there is no law yet on what the state's rights are in those circumstances. but i think it's likely that a court may rule that they'd have to wait until the end of his term to finish the prosecution of it. >> and what about

d.a. fani willis makes a stunning allegation, telling the court interviews with some of her key witnesses were intentionally leaked by the defense. the goal, she says, intimidation, harassment and threats. now she's calling on judge scott mcafee to step in. >>> we have been watching the overwhelming show of support for israel on the national mall in washington, one speaker telling the crowd that the purpose is to show the world that jewish people, quote, have the right to live. >>> it is a very busy day. but we begin on capitol hill, where tensions within the republican party intensified and are now boiling over with just three days and ten hours left to avert a government shutdown. republican tim burchett, who voted to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker, is accusing mccarthy of giving him a deliberate push while he was giving an interview. >> kevin mccarthy elbowed me in the kidneys as he walked by and it kind of caught me off guard. >> you felt it was on purpose and not an accident? >> absolutely on purpose, ma'am. 435 members of congress, eight of us voted against him, i'm the one who ge

d.a. fani willis in both of those cases? >> yes and no. i would, generally speaking, say no, especially when it comes to fani willis's case. she's looking a state statutes in georgia and their r.i.c.o. law, and the way that the case is constructed is entirely different. i suspect that jack smith, i think he is someone who already put his tax in a row in a particular way, about how he has constructed his view of the case and move forward. whereas, i don't think that either of them will ignore this or what comes from it -- >> -- the judge found that donald trump did participate in an insurrection. that is not something that i have heard before. it was a question on the table, and it seems like the colorado judge is. >> yeah, absolutely. i think the question is, who is important to? there are different audiences here, simone. as you know, trump supporters have shown, time and time again, that there is a rock-solid support for him. so whatever this judge has said, i don't think it will impact them very much, but holes do showed that independent

d.a. fani willis speaking at a "washington post" event yesterday, making it clear she's not happy about this to see it happen again. essentially reading between the lines, if it wasn't her team, it had to be one of the defense attorneys who put it out. as for what else we're going to see today, chris. one thing we're also watching for is according to a motion filed by the attorney for harrison floyd, one of the 15 remaining co-defendants, the attorneyelieves that the person or persons responsible for actually leaking those videos will fess up to it today in court. it's still not determined whether or not we're going to see some sort of courtroom confession. we also don't know what floyd's attorney is basing that prediction on, but certainly that would be a major development. it will be very interesting to see if that does in fact take place when this hearing gets underway. >> we know it's expected to start anytime. so carol, what will the parameters be? what does a judge look at when deciding whether to grant a protective order in a case like this? >> right. in this case there was no existin

d.a. fani willis to request an emergency protective order.grant that order. saying the case should be tried and not in the court of public opinion. that order is expected to come as early as tomorrow morning. joining me now is melissa redmon, fulton county georgia deputy district attorney. and an nbc news atlanta analysts also thank you for being here sucks -- until a protective order was in place. before circulating -- these videos. >> that was a conversation i have to say on former deputy -- >> sorry, yes, former. >> it's possible, and i actually could with the speedy trial demand earlier in october that the request was made for protective order to go along with the discovery, but they wanted it to collide at -- and free trial order of deadlines, within the discovery that had to be provided. of course, we know that that trial never happened and there was no further conversation to my knowledge about the protective order until these videos were released. but yeah, i think it wasn't disappointed at the time that the discovery would provide or

d.a. fani willis, she has now officially requested in august 2024 start. the republican national convention, and election day. doou think that the judge in fulton county will consider the election, as he makes the trial schedule? and if not, why not? >> unlike the federal system, where there is deference and trying not to have trials of this type that deal with issues during the election cycle, that's not the case in state court. we really don't care what else is going on in the federal system. we want our cases tried. but also if d.a. willis indicated in the motion, prosecutors constantly have to consider defendants constitutional rights. you don't want other defendants saying two years ago, i didn't file a statutory speedy trial demand, i silicon stitches no right to a speedy trial. this is also the prosecutor putting on the record that in a delay, it would not be the fault of the state. that the state is making every motion to keep these cases tried, regardless of any political seat -- saying that the political season, or trump's involvement in the elec

d.a. fani willis warning it could take more than a year until the racketeering case against the former president allies could wrap up. if you're keeping track at home, that would be after the presidential election. so what does it mean for the case and trump's presidential aspirations? back with us to discuss is john avlon and sara fineburg. we talk about the calendar. and how often he's going to be in court versus how often he'll be on the trail and whether will thereby any resolution. what's your take? >> i i think it ignores the practical reality that donald trump is running for president, in lashlg part, to say out of prison. we need to say that stuff out loud. you think about the number of people clustered around him who would benefit from pardons from a sit ting president, including himself and his family. all the januaryth folks he's pledged to pardon. you say this racketeering investigation into an attempt to overthrow the election won't be done until after the presidential election, that has all sorts of assumptions baked in. otherwise, even though it's a state case a lot of the stuff g

d.a. fani willis showed up to personally argue the case.t happens, next. >>> >>> he's accused of attempting to target witnesses on social media posts and in other comments. that's not donald trump, it's his co-defendant in the fulton county election racketeering case. harrison floyd, that's his name. and the judge today declined to trail him but set his bond agreement should be modified now to include more specific restrictions. which did not sit well with dea fani willis. >> it was given an opportunity to cooperate with the rules of his. case and what he'll be doing -- and refused to oblige by that conditions. we are really here to decide today, does this order mean something or not. but he doesn't give and, oh i'm sorry, after i'm already intimidated the witnesses in this case. it's too late. >> the judge called it a technical violation, going on to say, quote, not every violation compels verification. we'll be watching that case. and thank you all for watching. our live coverage continues in just a moment. >>> hello, and welcome. i'm pau

d.a. fani willis and her reputation ahead of the coming trump trial, and also the state's controversial decisionuse rap lyrics as evidence. this is a decision to draw fierce criticism where many of the critics have said it is a violation of the free speech, and violation of artistic expression and specifically black art. they are saying that you would not see the country lyrics of pop music lyrics being put up in court, so that is a big sticking point right there. on day three, the prosecutors called the first expert witness to the stand detective mark belknap how they had their own dress codes and gang signs. and young thug is accused of leading this street gang the ysl, and leading more than 80 acts, and it is the six defendants including young thug, and the charges are murder, armed robbery, carjacking and drug sales and among the more serious charges that young thug is specifically facing is renting a car to commit murder games at rival gang member. here is more sound from young thug's defense brian steel and what he said. >> he is not running this criminal street gang in cleveland avenue ar

d.a. fani willis has accused the former president and 19 others of racketeering and 2020 election interference. there is a reaction of the leak showing defendants who cut deals speak to go investigators, and they were part of a plea deal for attorneys jim ellis, sidney powell, ken chesebro. nick, the hearing just ended. what happened? >> reporter: prosecutors and defense attorneys have agreed in principle to a protective order where prosecutors will have to designate what they believe is sensitive materials in the pretrial discovery material and defense attorneys will have 14 days to respond. i should mention the judge here, judge mcafee, hasn't yet made a ruling from the bench and today was no different. listen to him talk about what a protective order could look like in this case. >> the state originally proposed what i would characterize as a blanket, umbrella protective order, anything and everything that is turned over that wasn't already public or part of the defense file was going to be held under seal. whereas my reading of mr. schaefer's proposed order is there is going to be this int

d.a. fani willis just asked the judge to jail another co-defendant in the fulton county case over tweets. >> that's exactly right. harrison floyd, the defendant whose lawyers initially claimed responsibility. this is the first time that the district attorney has asked someone to be essentially jailed so far in this case. now harrison floyd is interesting because he's also the only defendant who has spent time in jail so far in this case. he was in jail for about a week after he was charged until they were able to come to a bond agreement. now he is the leader of an organization called black voices for trump, and he's pleaded not guilty to three state felonies, and he has largely charged in connection to his alleged role to try to intimidate people, including some poll workers. now prosecutors point to statements that he's made, mostly on social media, that appear to intimidate election workers saying, look, this is a violation of your bond agreement and they are asking for him to be incarcerated. it's an important remind their in many ways this case is not only being tried in the courtroo

d.a. fani willis who is looking at this case. everyone said how she can try this one.but it's different. because it's like there are states like or new york, that you shouldn't have use wrap lives to get someone in prison. that's the artistry. >> if that's true martin score says he should be in jail for 10 million years. if arnold short seiko was the governor, he should be in jail for 10,000 years. >> why should arnold be in jail? >> because this guy killed 10,000 people in movies. i'm telling you i idolized and used 30 years of my life in music just telling stories. how can be charged for your imagination? >> one of the things prosecutors say to joe and help me with this, they say the things that he wrapped about have actually happened. that's one of the arguments. >> if you're a gangster rap, whatever wrapping about happens in every intercity and if you can make it close, nothing you can use that to your advantage. the truth is, if you really want to put these gentlemen in jail and they are really criminals, use real evidence, he's real facts. >> but they are saying

kim now, the fulton county d.a., fani willis, said today, this trial may not conclude until early 2025r to voters in your state, and in the country, to have the fate of trump basically decided after the election? >> listen, i am going to allow the judicial process to do what it does. i respect that process. i respect the d.a. of fulton county as she does her work. and i am going to remain on the people, focus on the people of georgia. including the bill that i was talking about today on this world diabetes day. >> speaking of exactly that, there is a lot going on on capitol hill, some of it not so good. but this is an example of bipartisanship. you and your colleague senator jon kennedy just released a represents report today on insulin desert. cesar areas with high rates of uninsured people, and high rates of diabetes, more than 800 insulin deserts. you say they are across the country. what are you proposing to address this issue? >> that's right, today on world diabetes day, i released a report with my partner in this effort, jon kennedy of louisiana, that focuses on what we are call

the crux of the case, but this is the same crime donald trump was charged with and the same d.a., fani williswho's looking the this case and saying, how are they going to figure out the rest? but it's different, there are towns in new york saying, you shouldn't use rap lyrics. >> it's the truth. martin scorsese should be in jail 10,000 years. arnold arnold schwarzenegger. >> why should arnold schwarzenegger. >> he killed people in movies. how can you be charged for your imagination? >> one of the things prosecutors say, they say the things that he rapped about actually happened. that's one of the arguments -- >> if you're a gangster rapper, whatever you're rapping about happens in every inner city, and if you can make it close enough you can use that to your advantage. the truth is, if you really want to put these gentleman in jail, and they're real criminals, use real evidence, real facts. >> but they're saying i could have rapped about it, but that doesn't mean i did it. >> exactly. >> you ever felt compromised as far as like, ever worried? >> no, because, you know, mine's don't add up. min

d.a. fani willis wants to set donald trump's georgia trial for august 5th, 2024. how that could shake up his bid for the white house, just three weeks after the republican convention. and exactly three months before election day. and, buyer you rustin. the -- march on washington finally gets his due, in the critically acclaimed movie, rustin. the star of the movie, colman domingo, joins me live to discuss his top score worthy performance. i'm jonathan capehart, this is the saturday show. s is the saturday show. >> this morning, the federal government is open, for now. late thursday night, president biden signed a short term funding bill into law just one day before the deadline. but the -- please, hold the applause. the stopgap law, with the laddered ctiing resolution, kicks the cado the road until next year. funding some federal agci until january 19th, and the rest until february 2nd. the only silver lining in all of this is that congress has bought itself a little more time to negotiate a long term plan. and yet, that extra time might not be enough to protect h

d.a. fani willis is asking a judge to revoke the bond of the man you see here, harrison floyd. the defendants, and she wants to put him in jail. now, the y is interesting. they are saying that what he has done is that he has engaged in behavior to intimidate codefendants and witnesses. in one example, they laid out a social media post where floyd calls out of the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. and in another post, it shows floyd questioning why his legal team was accused of leaking materials and referring to false claims about election worker. and that election worker is ruby freeman, who once again is caught in the middle. she and her daughter were targeted by trump with bogus fraud, fraud allegations in the past. speaking of those leaks from the fulton county judge, blocking the release of sensitive evidence after key video statements when other defendants got out. and now, the attorney for a separate defendant -- i know it's a mess -- he's owning up to it. jonathan miller, representing former coffee county elections supervisor, misty hampton saying here sayin

d.a. fani willis and a fulton county sheriff for their roles in the prosecution of former president trump, the man pleaded not guilty. also this week in georgia another man made his appearance in federal court. he allegedly said he wanted to shoot greene in the bleeping head and threatened her family. on tuesday the building housing the office of the kansas secretary of state was evacuated because of a letter cop taping a suspicious substance. that followed a number of similar incidents over the past few weeks in which letters containing white powder including in some cases fentanyl were sent to election offices in five states, georgia, california, oregon, and washington. at least one of those letters reportedly came with the message, end elections now. and all of this stuff is just this week's news. a red flag signaling that a democracy is in trouble is when violence begins encroaching on the political space. and boy, that is a lot of red flags. >>> coming up, one of trump's four criminal trials appears destined to be delayed until after the 2024 election. we're going to tell you which on

. >>> plus, why there may not be plea deals for everyone in fulton county d.a., fani willis' sweeping racketeering case. we'll tell you about who may have no choice but to go through a very public televised trial. >>> later in the show, even george santos says this next vote may stick. the embattled lawmaker and admitted liar will face an expulsion vote within two days. the house is back in session today. we'll preview his fate and more. when you're ready to begin treatment for chronic lymphocytic leukemia, calquence helps you do the fighting. and you can do the exploring. you can do the splashing... ...the sightseeing... ...and the playing. calquence is an oral targeted therapy for cll. more patients begin with calquence than any treatment of its kind, and calquence is proven to work better than chemoimmunotherapy in patients with previously untreated cll. calquence may cause serious side effects, which may lead to death. these include serious infections with fever, chills, or flu-like symptoms; and bleeding problems that may increase with blood thinners. decreased blood counts are c

d.a. fani willis herself showed up to make the state's case. and she was incredibly direct. >> the state is requesting so that there's no mistake as to what we're asking that his bond be revoked and he be remanded back into custody for violating three conditions of the bond. >> d.a. willis asked for harrison floyd to be put back in jail for making statements that could intimidate witnesses. ultimately the judge in this case denied that request and instead imposed a broader and stricter order limiting mr. floyd's speech. the judge ordered floyd to thought make any public statements concerning any codefendants or witness and to delete the social media posts where he had made those statements already. but the thing i think is important here is that jail was on the table. harrison floyd is charged with being essentially a pawn in donald trump's larger alleged plot to overturn the results of the 2020 election. and floyd's social media reach is puny compared to trump's massive bully pulpit. nonetheless, jail was on the table and could very much still

. >>> we'll have more later in the hour, but coming up we turn to the d.a., fani willis making a surprise appearance as a case today dealing with codefendants. and "saturday night live" is roasting president biden. what does it tell us about politics? there are actual clues. we'll get into that with the one and only rob reiner, who's my guest at 30 rock. first, an obama campaign veteran jim messina on the gop's speaker hangover when we're back in 60 seconds. in 60 seconds. >>> republicans have had a month with their new speaker and they're still learning about him. three weeks after the ouster of kevin mccarthy got chaotic with matt gaetz and others going ham on the floor of the house, they basically rushed the ending of that process and settled on the low profile mike johnson as their consensus pick. now this magafied party is learning how johnson himself warned against electing trump in 2015, warning that he was dangerous. johnson repeatedly -- reportedly went to visit trump in person just last night. "the times" has that story. johnson knows he can not afford to have trump weighing in

d.a. fani willis moves to refolk the bond of one of trump's codefendants accusing him of trying to intimidate witnesses and his fellow codefendants. how very trumpian. >>> but we begin tonight with the unholy trinity of the modern day republican party. kanye, elon, and trump. that is according to house judiciary republicans anyway who about a year ago cranked out the tweet that you see on the screen. the tweet stayed up for two months until december 2022 when republicans finally deleted it after ye appeared with sandy hook conspiracy theorist alex jones and publicly praised adolf hitler. that tweet did not age well. ye is now famous for having dinner with trump and white nationalists and holocaust denier nick fuentes, while elon musk promised to bring back right wing figures who were once banned including donald trump. he even recently endorsed a post attacking jewish communities and accusing them of promoting dialectical hatred against whites. as for trump, he took a break from scowling at a manhattan courtroom to host a rally in new hampshire where he vowed to root out his enemies. >> we pl

d.a. fani willis and -- with us now california democratic congressman robert garcia, he serves on the house committee. congressman, so much to get to. but this -- of the first amin meant, the way stefanik would want people to understand the first amendment. the way donald trump would like people to understand the first amendment, seems like the basis they are forming for his reelection. 100, percent of these definable take anything it takes to be picked as his vice presidential. spent all her time defending donald trump and doing what she can to intimidate the courtroom as well as she's been doing already within the house trying to get his agenda enacted and go after his enemies. so they have no regard for the judicial process. this should be a serious process and donald trump is out there attacking this judge and, quite frankly, all court officials, every single day. the things he saying are beneath any person, let alone a major candidate for the presidency. so the first amendment is one thing but you also can't put people in danger and what his words are doing are actually putting people

d.a. fani willis. some have already accepted plea agreements and are now even cooperating with prosecutors. in an op-ed published last week, a trio of respected conservative lawyers, including george conway, retired federal judge michael luttig, and former congresswoman barbara comstock, called attention to this very problem in the legal profession. they write that many of their conservative colleagues appeared to have been led astray and they're alarmed by it. writing, quote, the growing crowd of drifters, frauds, and conman willing to subvert the constitution and long estaished constitutional principles for the whims of political expediency, the actions of these conservative republican lawyers are increasingly becoming the new normal. now, i've been skeptical of recent efforts to use the 14th amendment to disqualify donald trump from the ballot because even if those efforts are successful, it doesn't solve the problem. see, you are only getting rid of trump, not getting rid of trumpism. that's the ro

d.a. fani willis made it clear she expects this trial to last for months. not be wrapped up before the end of 2024, possibly the beginning of 2025. when you take that timeline and lay it on top of the political calendar that we're all very closely watching, that means if she gets that proposed trial date, that means we're going to see this trial stretching through the back part of election season, election day and possibly into inauguration day of 2025. >> blayne, thank you very much. glen, let's talk about the d.c. election interference case. you were in the courtroom yesterday for that hearing over trump's gag order. here is a tte of just how contentious it got yesterday. >> if it's interpreted as we think should be you haven't told us how it should be interpreted different from clear and present. i'm going say this again, the answer is not clear and pre with different labels. so if tre is something less than cle a present danger, how would you articulate it.i' >> the two standards approximate eachernd i'm not aware of any case adopting any >> we don't ha

d.a. fani willis -- and others. with us now democratic california congresswoman robert garcia.es on the house oversight committee. so much to get to. but this weaponization of the first amendment, this way that at least a fonda would like people to understand the first amendment. the way that donald trump would like people to understand the first amendment. it seems like the basis they are four main for his reelection. >> 100 percent. i mean, look, at least fonac will do whatever it takes to get picked as his vice presidential running mate, so she's gonna spend all her time defending donald trump. doing whatever she can to intimidate the courtroom, and what she's been doing already within the house to try to get the agenda enacted and go after -- they have no regard for the judicial process. they should be a serious process and donald trump is out there attacking this judge and, quite frankly, all court officials, every single day. the things that he's saying are beneath any person, let alone a major candidate for the presidency, so the first amendment is one thing, but you can

d.a. fani willis was referring to today is the washington post reporting on the proffer agreements, effectivelyfessions, from some of trump's codefendants to accept a plea deals in georgia's election interference case. from what we have seen and red, there are both colorful details and substantive revelations, and the colorful category, the fact that sydney powell's first time meeting codefendant scott hall happen to be on an alligator hunt. as for substantive, president trump asked kenneth just burrow for a five questions about the matter of arizona. and chesebro described for trump's memo on the fake elector scheme. there was also a coup plot revealed to jenna ellis at a white house christmas party. this is what she told prosecutors about a conversation she had with tom's trump's top aide, dan scavino. >> he said an excited tone, we don't care, and we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean, and he said, well, the boss, meaning president trump. the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. i said to him, it is not quite work that way, reli

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d.a. fani willis filed a motion asking judge scott mcafee for donald trump and the rest of those codefendantso start on august 5th, 2024, just months before election day. trump lawyers chief say toe and neatly filed a response opposing the proposed trial date and requested a hearing to be held on the matter. and although things may look dire for trump in georgia, he'll likely have better luck in florida, where judge aileen cannon continues to pump the brakes on trump's classified documents trial. on thursday, the trump appointed judge denied a request from special counsel's office to said a routine hearing in order for trump to provide notice about what classified documents he intends to use a trial. judge cannon, without any explanation, said she would not consider sending any key deadlines before a scheduling conference that's going to happen on march 1st, 2024. essentially making the current may trial date an impossibility. joining me now is former u.s. attorney in alabama, msnbc legal analyst, and the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, my good friend joyce vance. joyce, good m

d.a. fani willis's office and key figures in her january 6th rico case.ton county judge said he would issue a protective issue in the case barring disclosure of certain information from the discovery process. one that would allow some evidence from the pre-trial discovery process to be labeled sensitive and with held from public scrutiny. the videos obtained by abc news and "the washington post" showed interviews with witnesses, jenna ellis, sidney powell, scott hall, and with kenneth chesebro whose video was not released publicly. all have taken plea deals to flip on donald trump in the release prompted today's emergency hearing. at that hearing, there was a surprise confession from the source, jonathan miller. the attorney for one of donald trump's 18 other co-defendants. former coffee county election supervisor, misty hampton. >> in being transparent with the court, and to make sure that nobody else gets blamed for what happened and so that i can go to sleep well tonight, judge, i did release those videos to one outlet. and in all candor to the court,

d.a. fani willis.n she had with one of trump's top aides and social media manager, dance giving no, in mid december of 2020. >> i emphasized to him that i thought the, the claims and ability to challenge the election or results was over. he said, to me, in an unexpected tone, well, we don't care, and we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean? he said, the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are going to stay in power. i said, it is not quite work that way, he realized. he said, i don't care. >> joining me now is democratic congressman adam shift of california. he served on the house january six committee, a member of the judiciary committee, and he is not a candidate for the u.s. senate. so, congressman, i think it's safe to say that jenna ellis was not exactly forthcoming with the deposition with the january six committee. if i were you, that would be maddening, but now, she says she was told that trump would not leave the white house under any circumstances. how do you thi

d.a. fani willis said in a motion that she signed herself yesterday that because he has been violating the agreement, she wants to put him back in jail. basically he has been tweeting, according to the d.a.'s office mentioning the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, things that the d.a.'s office says amount to witness intimidation. speakingutn a number of ways that are not allowed under the terms of his bond agreement. it's also certainly the d.a. sending a larger message to the other 14 remaining co-defendants that if they do violate the terms of this agreement that she won't hesitate to take some sort of action, ana. >> joyce, prosecutors say floyd's actions amounted to intentional and flagrant violations. what should happen here? >> so it's a really interesting question because this conduct obviously mirrors what we've seen from donald trump. the difference is that this defendant is not running for the white house, so his first amendment rights to political speech are a little bit different. i think it's uncomfortable for us to acknowledge that donald trump gets some special treatme

d.a. fani willis has essentially put them under the same umbrella, even though they are two very differenteeming issues, these two protections are necessary because she's trying to push back against what she is calling witness intimidation. let's start with that protective order, in response to those videos coming out and being made available to news media. she says that was witness intimidation. judge scott mcafee issued an order saying okay, this is a protective order. it was a compromise. it was what the d.a. was asking for, but with an asterisk, it was modeled after something one of the co-defendants proposed basically saying that the d.a.'s office has to go through and flag what they believe to be sensitive material, that there won't just be a blanket protective order over all items of discovery but rather the d.a.'s office has to say this is sensitive. that's that first bucket. now, of course if somebody is to release information that is deemed sensitive and subject to that order, then of course they would be in violation of that order and they're subjected to a possible punishment f

d.a. fani willis asked a judge to revoke the bond agreement for one of trump's codefendants, harrison floyd, citing his recent comments on social media and on podcast that she made amounted to a pattern, that she says amounts to a pattern of intimidation towards codefendants and witnesses. how likely is it that floyd could end up back in jail? >> eventually possible. but i think that it will look much like what happens when the president, and the president violates a gag order. which first, it is a smaller punishment, a slap on the wrist, a monetary fine. and then eventually, if the violations escalate in the case of the gag order, or in the case of this defendant who has been making some troubling statements on social media, podcasts, then you could potentially see the bonjour vote, or the case of the gag order, to finish up the analogy, you could potentially see someone jailed for that. i don't think that's where we're going. but that is the nuclear option that is of course what the district attorney is asking for here. >> hayes, floyd has attacked witnesses in this case, like janet ellis

d.a. fani willis requested a trial start date of august 5th, 2024, lisa, what do you think? >> fani willis did this interview with "the washington post" the other day where she was talking with amy gardener and talked about the fact she expects this trial to last many months. everyone who has observed her comments about it also understands that jury selection in and of itself is expected to take many months. this is fani willis saying i'm prepared to try this case in august, and i don't care that there is an election in november. i'm prepared to try this case during the election, over the election, select a jury during that period that doj might consider off limits because i'm not subject to the same strictures that might be guardrails in the federal system, i am going to try this case come hell or high water. whether judge mcafee allows her to is another story. but she is ready to go. and this is also creating a window of opportunity for the 15 remaining defendants to engage in plea negotiations. >> you laid out the timeline as august 5th relates to the 2024 election. there

d.a. down there fani willis speaks out on the georgia election subversion case and jujust how long g it cououl'l'll talk abobout it nextxt.. >>> well, new tonight, fani willis, the fulton county d.a. prosecuting former president donald trump and many others in georgia says that the election subversion trial could play out well past next year's presidential race. >> i believe the trial will take many months. and i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> well, mark your calendars. the early part of 2025 means by the time there is a verdict, whoever it will be president will have been elected by that. and that includes maybe the former president donald trump. if it goes past, say, inauguration day and he wins the election, a lot of caveats here, he would already be in the white house. a lot different than what willis told reporters back in august. remember this? >> we do want to move this case along. so we will be asking for a proposed order that occurs a trial date within the next six months. >> six months. and at the time, everyone kind of scoffed

d.a. fani willis. once agai john karl writing in "the atlantic," quote, but they weren't coming after trump's law-abiding supporters, they were coming after trump. earlier the presidential candidate bill clinton told voters that he felt their in. trump is now doing the reverse -- trying to persuade his supporters to feel his pain as if it were their own. it is all part of a, quote, campaign avengeens and martyrdom, he wrote, quiet, he will continue to talk about what is at stake in the election in apocalyptic terms, the fine battle. knowing how high the stakes are. he can win and take the white house or lose and go to prison. donald trump's run for the presidency built around an assault on the rule of law in these united states is where we begin today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. the author of that great excerpt we read from that book, john karl, with us, chief washington correspondent for abc news and a bestselling author. "tired of winning: donald trump and the end of the grand ol

d.a. fani willis taking a hearing. who she says has intimidated victims and witnesses in social media posts. the judge is issuing his ruling right now. that breaking decision is coming up next. >>> plus, new house speaker mike johnson has made the trek to mar-a-lago pledging his fealty to the four times indicted ex-leader. how the party's full trumpification is being received back on capitol hill. congressman allred joins us on that. >>> and new fears about the growing rhetoric from donald trump and the threat it poses to democracy. all that after this. do not go anywhere. ot go anywhee the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. >>> breaking news today out of georgia, just minutes ago a judge appears t

d.a. fani willis' case in georgia? >> potentially it does. they're very similar allegations. georgia and the counsel's obstruction of an official case, same facts. clark's the charged defendant in georgia. here you have him, again, getting access to this information, yet persisting in these steps as part of a conspiracy to disrupt the joint session. absolutely has relevance. everything that jack smith develops potentially has relevance in georgia, and vice versa. when people cooperate in georgia, that has potential impact on the special counsel case because of how closely factually intertwined they are. i'm sure they're not explicitly cooperating, but there is nothing to prevent jack smith from reaching out to a cooperating defendant in georgia and there is nothing that prevents fani willis from reaching out for information that's developed in the special counsel case. >> tim heaphy, claire mccaskill. the latest podcast, how to win 2024. claire ahosts this new series on presidential politics. it is a must listen. their latest episode is on the growing number of third party ca

d.a. down their fani willis speaks out on the georgia election subversion case. and just how long it could last. we'll talk about next. - some labels... - keep you safe. - but other labels... - are hurtful. - when it comes to people... - let's ditch the labels. - and start with a simple... [all] "hello." - some labels... - keep you safe. - but other labels... - are hurtful. - when it comes to people... - let's ditch the labels. - and start with a simple... [all] "hello." well new tonight, fani willis, the fulton county -- former president donald trump and many others in georgia. says that the election subversion trial could play out well past next year's presidential race. >> i believe the trial will take many months, and i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> mark your calendars, nearly better 2025 means that by the time there is a verdict, governors will be president of an elected by then. and that includes, maybe, the former president donald trump. now, if it goes past, say, inauguration day, and he wins the el

rudy giuliani, and i'd be remiss, joyce, if i did not get your opinion on the news today that fani willis, the d.a in fulton county, there is reporting that she is prepared to offer plead deals, or has left the plea deal door open, if you will, to all of the named coconspirators in that fulton county case, except donald trump, rudy giuliani, and mark meadows. to some extent, trump does not surprise me being a name on that list. but i was in fact surprise that giuliani and meadows are not people she is seeking to turned prosecution witnesses. were you? >> no, not at all. i think she is certainly not looking to hand out deals to them. in a r.i.c.o. case, there is a lot of advantage to trying the people at the top, the general and the left tenants together, to get in all the evidence about the r.i.c.o. scheme. in some ways, and we've seen trump already trying to do this with some of the co-defendants who are cooperating, if they are all cooperating against you, then you give that general of a defendant, in this case, trump, the opportunity to say they were doing all of this, i didn't know anything ab

for folks who weren't here, setting the stage, fani willis, the d.a.ent to the judge after some videos were linked of people who had turned evidence and said, i need a protective order. but we didn't know who might have leaked those videos. what just happened in court? >> reporter: well, we now know at least one of the people who leaked the videos. it was an attorney for one of the 15 remains codefendants. jonathan miller, he represents misty hanson, one of the 15 codefendants, just said during this open hearing, during this virtual hearing in open court that he did leak the videos to at least one media outlet, and so he kind of gave a small preamble said that in order to make sure he can sleep at night, and make sure everybody can kind of rest easy knowing what happened, he said, he did in fact leaked him. the judge asked why he decided to do that. he said that two of the defendants, the people who pled guilty, had to do with his client, and actually helped hi client, and he basically said that he believed the public had a right to know. >>. >> blayne

if fani willis were here right now, d.a.d the american public how long it took your office when you were an assistant d.a. to try the case. the answer is years. and that's the issue here. how long will this take. jury selection in and of itself with let's say upwards of five defendants going to trial should take a matter of multiple months, and we should all be prepared for that. >> greg, i understand there's some news breaking regarding one of the codefendants in the trial, harrison floyd, what can you tell us? >> yeah, the fulton county district attorney's office has asked to revoke harrison floyd's bond. we're just getting that legal motion just a few minutes ago for allegedly sending tweets that would violate the order of his bond. the outlines of his bond that were harassing to potential witnesses. we're not sure exactly the scope of the tweets yet. the order just came in. he has been very active on his twitter account. he has about 25,000 or so followers on x, and he's been very active on it. there's a lot of social me

district attorney, fani willis, prosecuting former president trump for violating the same georgia rico act. >> i think especially for donald trump and his attorneys, they're watching d.aon this case against young thug. you're basically getting the playbook of how a team is competing that you know you're going to compete against later. >> gang members -- >> reporter: prosecutors painting the grammy winner as the mastermind of a criminal enterprise. ysl, the young slime life gang, notorious in atlanta for violent crime. >> members and associates of ysl, they move like a cat with the defendant, jeffrey williams, at its head. >> reporter: the defense firing back, saying the record label started by young thug, ysl, young stoner life, has a name rooted in fashion. >> tight-fitting pants. women's pants. says "ysl," yves saint laurent, that's where it comes from. >> reporter: painting a sympathetic portrait of the 32-year-old. >> it means to jeffrey something very personal. he would be truly humbled under god. that's what thug means. >> reporter: may 2022, young thug along with rapper gunna and 26 others charged in a swing indictment. sergio kitchens, gunna, known for hits li

fani willis's concern in particular about georgia election worker ruby freeman whose attorney testified that they upped her security in light of floyd's posts. >> yeah, and i mean, willis herself, the d.ant in court yesterday, this is the first time he's seen one of the hearings in this case. what do you think this was made to show? >> i think it's made to show that she is absolutely invested in this case, down to its minutia, that she will be involved in the presentation of evidence at trial, and that if you think fani willis is just a figure head, she's not playing. she, in fact, said to the judge yesterday, jose, that she's a public figure and she can take the criticism and threats aimed at her but that floyd and anybody else has no right to interfere with the integrity of this trial, vis-a-vis defendants and witnesses. she shows that she means business and that she will continue to be involved in the enforcement of his and others conditions of release. >> and lisa, we're also following developments in trums legal battle in colorado. yesterday the state supre court there agreed to hear appeals related to a ruling that trump's participation in the insurrection cannot keep him off the