d.a. ramirez has stepped in, and i'm also grateful that advocacy groups were able to step in and advocate on behalf of lizel herrera, but it paints a very grim picture for what is awaiting the rest of the country when we know that we're sitting with a supreme court that allows sb-8 to take effect in spite of decades and decades of precedents set by roe. >> and irina, juanita brings us a good poin because this is about a larger conversation. we're not just seeing this happen in texas. this is happening in many states in the south, conserve tsk states specifically with these abortion laws in place. oklahoma, we just saw last week as well which basically all out bans abortion altogether, and it speaks to this vigilante law they set up essentially in the state of texas where people are reporting others, and it doesn't even necessarily seem as if this case was applied to sb-8. there you are, sb-8 on the screen there. want to review for folks what sb-8 is before you weigh in here. almost all abortions are banned six weeks essentially when they detect a fetal heartbeat. it establishes a civil vi

d.a. from talking about the case. yesenia ramirez and jose portillo were back in court today, their handcuffs removed for the proceeding. just yesterday d.a. jeff rosen spoke to the press immediately after the two were formally charged like h does in most high profile cases, saying this isn't like most kidnapping cases. thinking one did not. and this is more unusual and more frightening. >> reporter: in court today, yesenia ramirez's lawyer told the judge those comments were out of line, and told us the same outside of court. >> the place to it will get the facts of this case is in the courtroom, and ms. ramirez, mr. portillo, and anyone else, they're presumed innocent if and until they're proven guilty in court, not in a press conference, not on the campaign trail. >> reporter: the d.a. did not respond to that accusation, and the judge admonished the attorney for bringing it up in court. but it's one of the reasons cody salpin says he is considering asking for a gag order or a change of venue. >> i can't say whether that's going to

d.a. is going with a conspiracy charge here, which it lays out the premeditation that mr. portillo and ms. ramirez went through in this kidnapping attempt. and what they did is they demonstrated that apparently when you look at the video, it appears to be mr. portillo that is the most involved here. but what this document laid out is that ms. ramirez is the one that purchased the baby carrier, that she provided the vehicle to mr. portillo. so it's actually appears that she is the mastermind here to some extent. and i think that's what has everyone so surprised is that we're all searching for a motive. the d.a. doesn't need to prove motive, but i think it's going to be very important in ascertaining whether these two received some type of pretrial release and the ultimate outcome of this case what was the motive here. are they a danger not just to baby brandon, but to other babies in this community. >> definitely. and you said it, you know. no motive released just yet. and that's really important in this case right now, right? >> yes, absolutely. what you're going see is the judge has to make a dif