d.a. willis in georgia. but trump is certainly not out of the woods in terms of other exposure in stage criminal court for what he did to try to steal the election. >> so he could be looking at even more legal peril than he is in now. but let's talk about what he is in now. there is a whole chart with donald trump's myriad cases. that is packed. that's a lot of cases. that's a lot of criminal and civil work that his attorneys are going to be involved in over the next year. i want you to put on your professor hat, mr. georgetown law, and i need you to pick the hollywood square of case that his attorneys right now should be most concerned about and tell me why. >> washington and lee see, jack smith federal election interference case. jack smith maybe the only person in d.c. who thinks this trial is going to happen on march 4th. but at some point judge chutkan will get her case back from the appeals court and possibly the supreme court. those courts will almost certainly deny defendant trump's grand

that's not true, but last week, d.a. willissaid it's silly to think just because someone is running for president, they shouldn't be put on trial. here's the thing, charles, d.a. willis has four cooperating witnesses. and if this is like her other rico cases, many more defendants will fold before trump goes on trial. her rico case against young thug started out with 27 defendants and that was just six people on trial. even young thug's older brother pled out. so that's going to happen with regard to trump's rico case. but jury selection in the young thug trial took ten months. that's just jury selection. i think it's extremely unlikely that this trial in georgia is going to happen before the election. >> last question, paul. really quickly, one name if there's someone who we do not know yet who is cooperating, who is not cooperating, who is a codefendant, and you're the prosecutor on this case, who do you want to flip? one name. >> mark meadows. he's got to be the one. >> my man. >> he was the president's chief of staff, closer

now, by 2020 willis was running to take over the d.a.'s office from her boss paul howard who had two decades of experience but was facing questions about financial improprieties. willis seized on that and campaigned on cleaning up the office and boldly argued that her boss represented the corrupt ways of the past which powered her victory. >> i think it's a choice actually between integrity and corruption, good and bad, i think it's a classic fight and i think that citizen also have to make a choice. we have a district attorney now that worked for his own self-interests, seems to care about the things that benefit him and not the community. >> i want to thank the voters of this county for believing in me. [ applause ] tonight's a good night. we made herstory. [ cheers and applause ] >> willis victory night citing her distinction as the first black woman to hold that office and began her term in 2021 and leaned into that approach. faced with a brutal person who killed eight women targeted early in her tenure, she went beyond the claims she

d.a. fani willis and the sweeping r.i.c.o. case in fulton county, georgia. d.a. willis is also investigating trump for election interference in her state. also in august, a grand jury indicted trump and heat 18 others on state charges related to a scheme to overturn the 2020 election. trump was hit with another 13 charges there. man, this is a lot. not to mention, trump has also been facing 2 cases in new york. one of them is a civil fraud trial against trump and his businesses. new york attorney general leticia james is suing trump for lying about his net worth in order to do blunders. the others, that's a hush money case, where manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and his office became the first law enforcement entity to criminally indict donald trump, charging him with 34 counts of falsifying business records in connection with hush money he paid to adult film actress stormy daniels back in 2016. do you guys keep a score at home? good. because we're still not done. this year, trump was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation against writer dejean carrol

d.a. willis has been very tough. any suggestion there is about how to do her job, any questioning of how she's doing her job. we have seen that when she has fielding congressional requests. she responds -- she is not going to pull her punches. she is very tough in response. i don't know how much of a tactic it is. what the evidence is the evidence. she can talk all she wants. they will have the discovery. they will consider their defenses. they see how strong a case they really have. trump and the top guys are going to trial no matter what. >> could they go to jail based on what you read in that? do you think that is a goal? those top three, i'm talking about. >> they certainly could. the charges are incredibly serious for those top three. these are r.i.c.o. charges. they carry significant jail time. again, i think when you are in the day today as a prosecutor going through routine discovery disputes, you can have defeats with defense counsel all the time. not sure why we are talking about jail time in the course of

d.a. willis was asked whether she thought if trump was convicted, what are the chances he could go to jail? here is what she said. >> will he see prison time? what do you think about that? >> i think that everyone in society is the same. i don't know why that's such a difficult concept for people. you can look at the charges. based on those charges, we will be recommending appropriate sentences. no one gets a break because of their status. >> when you talk to folks on either side of the aisle, how much of a conversation is it what happens if, indeed, donald trump faces jail time for real? >> i think the people that i'm talking to realize that that's a possibility. i think they also understand that the only surefire way of getting rid of donald trump, if you are an anti-trump republican or democrat is to make sure he doesn't win. i think anybody who is focused on the legal process or the institutions in our democratic process that could somehow remove him, they are doing so without really thinking

d.a. a fani willis. she reportedly sent problematic e-mails about the trump-georgia 2020 case. the president returns to hollywood fund raisers tonight, his polls the worst in modern u.s. history, the worst in 70 years. but he's going to the golden state when california is blaming its new, big financial troubles on record inflation under biden. plus, look who's here, fox news contributor liz peek. we're going to dig into why the white house cannot take a victory lap on that new jobs report today for november. it's coming up on "the evening edit." ♪ ♪ he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ meet the traveling trio. each helping to protect their money with chase. wooo! tools that help protect. alerts that help check. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. i don't want you to move. chase. i'm gonna miss you so much. you realize we'll have internet waiting for us

and it's also good evidence for d.a. willis to. she also has a recall election interference case. >> stunning that someone in that room knew that it was wrong enough or criminal enough that they needed to record the president of the united states. susan, i want you to weigh in on this, we talk about a lot here. how important this story is. catherine says that gift jack smith, but it's an imported public service and hugely important information to the american people. and here we have a local news outlet reporting at. over the last 20 years we've seen local news get demolished in this country, it happens every day, every week, every month, how important is it for us to have news outlets like the detroit news getting us stories. like this that the american people need to hear? >> it's so important, local news has been so embattled by the business model over the past decade or so that we've lost hundreds of local newspapers. we know that when there are, reporters around doing reporting, you don't find out that there's whistleblower th

they will be used by both d.a. willis and special counsel smith in their trials to show donald trump's pattern of conduct is -- his intent and knowledge. offering lawyers to someone is a way of telling them that you know what they're asking them to do is illegal. >> kathryn, thank you. jordan reuben, thank you as well. another big legal issue we are following right about now in wisconsin supreme court, overturning the rubber can lawn -- wisconsin is a battleground state. the ruling is coming just months before the 2024 primary. four out of the six past presidential elections have been decided by fewer than 23,000 votes. republicans have built large majorities in the legislator under maps that were drawn over a decade ago. the state supreme court now ruled by a liberal majority, 4 to 3 in favor of democrats, who argued that the maps are unconstitutional because districts drawn are not contagious. with this ruling, democrats hope gop majorities will be weekend. new maps are likely to be unveiled in just about two months tim

d.a. fani willis just listed her witnesses for the former president's election interference trial.mp's own vice president is at the top of the list. four of his gop rivals will try to do it tonight in alabama by convincing republican voters in increasingly candid language that they are the better choice. and then there is donald trump himself whose own candid language might be enough to do it by reminding voters why they did not vote for him in 2020. >> under no circumstances you are promising america tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody? >> except for day one. except for day one. >> meaning? >> i want to close the border, and i want to drill, drill, drill. >> that's not retribution. i got it. >> i'm going to be, you know, he keeps -- we love this guy. you're not going to be a dictator, no, no, no, other than day one. >> that was trump at a town hall last night doing exactly what so many are warning, telling americans he didn't believe the constitution applies to him, and while many will no doubt say the former president was just joking there, he has

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d.a. fani willis in fulton county. here is another thing some people might not know.showed up in the d.c. courthouse to allegedly show his support for rudy giuliani. let's be clear, he was indicted in fulton county for intimidating ruby freeman and shaye moss. do you think that harrison floyd is showing up in court was an attempt to intimidate miss freeman and miss moss? >> i can't say what it was from his perspective. it certainly was no mistake that he showed up in that courthouse. when he was there, who took out appropriate measures to ensure their safety. this just underscores the ridiculousness of this situation. we would have to scramble the way that we did when one person shows up, not knowing exactly what the intentions are. what is there to do? we had to take appropriate measures. i could not really speak to what he was intending with this appearance. i didn't actually see him. i faced the jury and i was handling things with the trial. it's unfortunate that that happened. >> that really underscores the point of why ruby and shaye brought this litigation among

d.a. fani willis and her election case? and later in the program, there is new reporting on just how far -- is willing to go to get the election results overturned in january six? how trump's lawyers turned to a senator and congressman to help them in the days before the insurrection. all of those stories and more, when that signed white house continues after this. don't go anywhere. anywhere. it■s beginning to look alot like savings! blendjets holiday sale is on now! give the gift of convenience the blendjet 2 portable blender is perfect for everyone on your list. even that picky relative who hates everything. and dont forget the accessories! theyre all on sale! dont wait! our most popular colors and patterns will sell out! go to blendjet.com and take advantage of our holiday sale now. i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitche

d.a. fani willis.the reason why i say that is fani willis could seek revocation of trevian kutti's bond status because her bond conditions that kutti stipulated to, she agreed to, is that she's not allowed to threaten, intimidate, harass any victim, any witness, any codefendant in the case. what's problematic is she posts on social media as well. not just instagram live, she posts on twitter as well. and so she's just inviting more trouble. and she is -- it's an indication of a systemic problem we're having with these codefendants in fulton county running from trump to harrison floyd to trevian kutti. they don't keep their mouths shut. they're making the case easier for fani willis. why? because why would she be threatening somebody if she didn't think there was exposure to her if that person opens their mouth and testifies. the other stupidity that comes into play, they're being prosecuted as part of a larger rico conspiracy, but she's being prosecuted for threatening ruby freeman. what does she do on

d.a. fani willis sat down for an interview with the associated press this week where she stated that it isote, a silly notion that her case should pause for the 2020 -- the 2024 general election, excuse me. also nowhere, the she declined to say whether she or members of her team had been in communication with the special counsel jack smith. a man that has also had a very, very busy week. we learn from court filings on monday that smith plans to use data from donaldtrump's white house cell phone records in the federal 2020 election interference case. as put by kyle cheney and josh gerstein at politico. the data from trump's phones could reveal a day today details of his final weeks in office, including his movements, his twitter habits, and any of his aides that had access to his accounts and devices. the data, for example, could show whether trump personally approved or sent a fateful tweet attacking his vice president, mike pence, during the riot at the capitol. the filings perhaps are the clearest glimpse into the trove of evidence to scott smith has -- over the last few months. at the v

d.a. fani willis talking about apology letters.e of the letters thanks to the "atlanta journal-constitution," although there's not much to see, actually. the ones from sidney powell and kenneth chesebro are a sentence long. chesebro wrote i apologize to the citizens of the state of georgia and fulton county for my involvement in count 15 of the indictment. powell wrote, i apologize for my actions in connection with the events in coffee county. let me bring in former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, university of alabama law essor and msnbc legal analyst. goodo see you, joyce. i w to read more about what thought the letters are y she important. quote, if you do something wrong that impacts the community, there needs to be real contrition. the contrition doesn't have to be a poetic melody, pages and pages, sometimes you just need i'm sorry. she actually said she preferred a single sentence. how do you measure a show of contrition and how does that fit into the story legally? so i think it's a difficult situation, and it's one of the reaso

d.a. fani willis's election interference case against known trump should not take place before the 2024 election. but get this. he also thinks that if trump wins this election than this case can't go to trial after the election either. >> if your client does win the election in 2024, could he even be tried in 2025? but >> the answer to that is, i believe, that under the supremacy clause and his role as president united states, his trial will not take place at all, till after he left his term in office. >> that would be in the year 2029. now, most days a ruling saying donald trump can be sued in civil court for his actions on january 6th or trump's lawyers arguing that he shouldn't see a courtroom until the end of this decade, on most days that would be the biggest pieces of trump legal knows. but presidential immunity has reentered the chat. we've just learned that judge tanya chutkan, the judge in the special counsel jack smith's federal criminal election interference case, as denied don't trump's motion to dismiss that case on the grounds of presidential immunity. now trump is surely going to

d.a. fani willis is signaling for donald trump and some of the other defendants charged in the election interferencet of georgia. we are going to have exclusive reporting from hugo lowell coming up next. stay with us. you are watching the katie phang show. you are watching the katie phang show phang show ons. this life is in our blood. give the gift of family heritage with ancestry. (husband) ♪ hey there family! while you're shopping, ♪ ♪ get me a 5g phone, it's on my list. ♪ (wife) instead of doing all of this a better plan is to switch to verizon. (avo) this holiday turn any samsung phone, in any condition, into a galaxy s23+ on us. and now add netflix and max to your plan for just $10 a month. only on verizon. my dry eye's made me a burning, stinging, 5-times-a-day,... ...makeup smearing drops user. i want another option that's not another drop. tyrvaya. it's not another drop. it's the first and only nasal spray for dry eye. tyrvaya treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease fast by helping your body produce its own real tears. common side effects include sneezing, cough, and throat and nos

d.a. fani willis earlier this week and she said most important to her, way beyond how long it might be, is that these folks expressed remorse for what they did, that they apologize to the people they had done wrong. the d.a. compared it to people in a relationship with one another, somebody does something that upsets the other, you need to apologize in order to make it right. that was the d.a.'s intent of all of this. i've seen plenty of critics over the last 18 hours or so saying they don't feel that remorse as part of some of these letters from sidney powell and ken chesebro. scott hall, the bail bondsman his letter was longer. he expresses remorse in a little -- many more words than some of the others. and, of course, it is very different from jenna ellis who read her letter while she was behind the defense table in front of judge mcafee back in october and was crying and saying how she regretted what she did, she regrets becoming a part of the trump campaign in the aftermath of the election. >> and in comparison to sidney powell, scott hall's says i did not mean to violate any law, i n

d.a. fani willis has 18 codendts facing election conspiracy and racketeering charges could take plea daysning against him. adding the silly notion that trump's case should be applause because he is running for office. does flipping codefendant give the d.a. the best shot of success? >> that is the path that they have taken in this case. as opposed to jack smith, where they just charge donald trump, making the case as lean and quick as possible, the fulton county case they decided to go big. they went with repo. they brought in all of these other defendants. now they are trying to flip them. they are doing something that i advise in my book. to go after trump's erstwhile vendors, especially and including his lawyers. a lot of times he doesn't pay these people, he does not treat them very well. this has been what fulton county has done very successfully, what fani willis of hundreds except for the. getting folks like jan ellis, kenneth chesebro, sydney powell. these folks were probably underpaid, maltreated. now we are finding out that they are going to flip against trump. the strategy does

let me ask you a question about georgia, where the d.a., fani willis, as more of trump's 18 codefendantshim, adding it's a silly notion that his case should be paused because he's running for office. who do you think would be first interested in that deal? >> it's hard to say. i think there are some individuals in the piece of the scheme. there are a number of defendants that have already pled guilty like scott hall, as to that county scheme. i think the others that were charged in that scheme, they may flip, but are those who had direct interactions with the actions at the top of the indictment, no. i don't think those individuals are going to necessarily help in this case against the higher ups. she will continue to work are way up the ladder. >> many thanks. that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex what reports. my friend, nancy vossoughian, about 15 feet away, she continues our coverage right

this large roster signals the -- the d.a., fani willis, and her fellow prosecuting to addressing whateady a sprawling case. the case is 15 defendants, which is -- 19 after four them already took plea deals. they have been accused of engaging in a racketeering conspiracy to overturn the results of georgia's 2020 election. all of whom, including donald trump, and have a originally pleaded not guilty. and, most defendants in the case have the optional possibility of a plea deal, the guardian has reported that trump, mark meadows, and rudy giuliani will be ineligible for a deal, signaling that the prosecutors consider there being targets. my pel is back with me. dana, i'll srt with you on this roun and let's start with this trial date trump's lawyer steve sato said last week that the constitution supremacy clause would delay this trial until 2029, if trump were to be elected again in 2024. we are in a unique situation, because this has not been tested yet. one of the many constitutional challenges that we could potentially be facing as a result of several trials. but, does sat out even ha

d.a. a fani willis here on her case against trump. watch this. >> when when i get asked that i'm can covering the story, many people say will the former president see prison time? what do you think? >> i think everyone in society is the same, and i don't know why that's such a difficult concept for people. you can look at the charges, and based on those charges we'll be recommending appropriate sentences. no one gets a special break because of their status. elizabeth: you know or, they're acting -- the media -- [laughter] they're acting like, you know, their statements, you know, what hair thoughts are, what they want done is about the tantamount to a conviction, francey, for trump. >> you know, liz, this is a corrupt and dangerous series of events that really started before president trump even took office. if you remember, there was talk about what would happen if he wasn't inaugust rated, could they -- inaugurated, could they somehow put hillary clinton in office. the democrats have been after him since the day he was elected, and

d.a. fani willis and the select committee to investigate the january 6th a attacks., conclusion isn't even a thing. what do you make of the obsession and the projection of people like jim jor deny? >> i think that there's no question ha that jim jordan has something to hide, probably a lot to hide. if you go back is and you look at the phone records as well as what he's said himself about his discussions and his conversations with donald trump on the 6. the very significant role he played in the lead up to that, he was clearly one of the master minds in terms of helping to facilitate donald trump's efforts to overturn the election. and of course, refused to comply with the select committee subpoena. so you have to imagine that he's doing everything he can to help donald trump, to do donald trump's bidding. and i think that he has so many questions of his own to answer that people just need to go back and look at the record, look at how confused he's been when people have pushed him on what did you say to donald trump, when did you talk to him on the 6th, what was you

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d.a.'s case and georgia. i think fani willis has made it incredibly clear that she wants this to go to trial in the summer. she doesn't care how close it is to the election. timing has been a priority for her the entire time. the manhattan d.a. has shown he's willing to jump in line if he has the opportunity to go. i wouldn't be surprised if both of them go this year. >> i agree. i think it is very, very hard for jack smith to get the federal case tried. they're moving as fast as they can. >> he is trying. these prosecutors have been working over the holiday. i would like to see their billable hours time sheet. thank you so much. >>> security is increasing around the world for new years eve. and especially in the most famous new years eve of all, times square. what the nypd is doing to keep people safe, coming up. >>> plus, president biden's latest focus on immigration and the border with mexico. how the white house says it is planning to address this crisis heading into the new year. >>> and ukraine launches the deadliest attac

d.a.'s office which is august 2024. fani willisn new york last night receiving an award for her work and we put that question to her about what she thinks about this claim of political interference. >> i think it's ridiculous. we've been conducting that investigations since 2021, january 1st. the investigation has taken its course and we are at the point that the investigation naturally took us to. so i think it's a ridiculous allegation. >> so there's no hearing scheduled on the books just yet, but the judge in this case has given the defense attorneys until december 15th to broaden out their arguments to try to get their case dismissed and the state has until january 2nd to respond to those arguments. kate? >> nick valencia, thank you so much. john? >>> with me now former special prosecutor renato mariotti. that has to do with the georgea case. we heard from jack something's team that as part of the prosecution explore donald trump's support for the january 6th rioters and his public support since, you know, over the last two yea

d.a. to haul a sitting president into a criminal trial. the stakes are really high as to whether fani willis this trial going at some point next year. >> ken dilanian and lisa rubin, thank you both. >>> up next on "ana cabrera reports," new warnings that changes to our immigration policies could, quote, break the border. what homeland security officials are telling nbc exclusively. >> putin's first end of year press conference since the invasion of ukraine began, what he said about the war and the possibility of a prisoner swap with the u.s. with the u.s don't get burned by winter nose. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? the subway series just keeps gettin' better. is loving this pay bump in our allowance. wonder where mom and dad got the extra money? maybe they won the lottery? maybe they inherited a fortune? maybe bur

d.a. for a financial, accounting irregularities connected with hush-money payments, nor does it address the georgia prosecution which is being brought by the da where fani willis has charged president trump and the trump reelection campaign as being basically a racketeering enterprise. >> i agree with all of that. first ics equal for your 2020 book. the only thing i would say -- and argument has been made trump could pardon himself. i do not see it. john does not either. although i do not think -- i certainly don't think the fani willis case is going to happen before the election. i do not know it's going to happen with the brag case. i certainly don't believe even if they did try him and convict him that serving a prison sentence would be incompatible with his ability to perform his duties as president of the united states. i certainly don't think he would be sitting in a prison cell. the secret service would never allow him to do that. if the trial had not taken place the date of inauguration assuming trump wins, it would have to be held in advance until he finishes his four years in office. there's no way the sitting president could be sitting in the dock w

d.a. for a financial, accounting irregularities connected with hush-money payments, nor does it address the georgia prosecution which is being brought by the da where fani willis has charged president trump and the trump reelection campaign as being basically a racketeering enterprise. >> i agree with all of that. first ics equal for your 2020 book. the only thing i would say -- and argument has been made trump could pardon himself. i do not see it. john does not either. although i do not think -- i certainly don't think the fani willis case is going to happen before the election. i do not know it's going to happen with the brag case. i certainly don't believe even if they did try him and convict him that serving a prison sentence would be incompatible with his ability to perform his duties as president of the united states. i certainly don't think he would be sitting in a prison cell. the secret service would never allow him to do that. if the trial had not taken place the date of inauguration assuming trump wins, it would have to be held in advance until he finishes his four years in office. there's no way the sitting president could be sitting in the dock w

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willie this morning. jake also with us, and joining the conversation we have nbc news legal analyst, catherine christian. she is a former assistant attorney in the manhattan d.as here. and nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett. great to see you all. we begin this hour with special counsel jack smith. pushing back on former president donald trump's attempt to slow down a supreme court decision on his presidential immunity appeal. the result of the appeal would determine if trump is legally immune from prosecution over his actions after the 2020 election. the special counsel's team requested the high court roll directly on the issue, rather than wait for the process to go through a lower appeals court. the trump team responded asking the justice to wait for the appellate court ruling before making it one of in their own. yesterday, jack smith's office responded again calling the trump lawyers request misguided, writing in part this, the nation has a compelling interest in a decision on respondents claim of immunity from these charges, and if they are to be tried, a resolution by conviction or acquittal will undo the delay. the high court could deci

d.a. for a financial, accounting irregularities connected with hush-money payments, nor does it address the georgia prosecution which is being brought by the da where fani willis has charged president trump and the trump reelection campaign as being basically a racketeering enterprise. >> i agree with all of that. first ics equal for your 2020 book. the only thing i would say -- and argument has been made trump could pardon himself. i do not see it. john does not either. although i do not think -- i certainly don't think the fani willis case is going to happen before the election. i do not know it's going to happen with the brag case. i certainly don't believe even if they did try him and convict him that serving a prison sentence would be incompatible with his ability to perform his duties as president of the united states. i certainly don't think he would be sitting in a prison cell. the secret service would never allow him to do that. if the trial had not taken place the date of inauguration assuming trump wins, it would have to be held in advance until he finishes his four years in office. there's no way the sitting president could be sitting in the dock w