d.d. o. s. attacksspecially the same tactics that anonymous used to briefly take down pay pal and mastercard but this raises a larger question here as to whether d.d. o. s. attacks are legal or not secretly there's a case in santa cruz california where a homeless man is being accused of setting up a d.d. o. s. on the city's website in protest of a camping not his attorney jail lederman is arguing that there is no such thing as a d.d. o. s. attack and e.o.'s is a protest it's a digital city and it is no different than physically occupying a space it's not a crime it's speech now so far it seems like a number of indicators point to those arrests and sweeps against anonymous and law so may also use the same defense strategy so do they have a legal point well joining me for this cause that is nico muhly again trying to lecture in public policy at harvard kennedy school and the founder and president of eco ditto dot com if you want to make you so much for joining us tonight and for starters any speculation h

d.d. o. s. attack on a web site or a digital protest much like a civil rights action or demonstration or divisive that topic in just a moment. into the room would be written something you don't work to bring justice or accountability.

d.d. o. s. attack on a website and digital protests much like a civil rights action or demonstration are divided about how they can just a moment. let's not forget that we heard her work.

d.d. o. s. attacks and i've had a conversation with her on this show with someone who thinks that those actually should count as protected speech and you can just consider it a virtual setting let her take. i mean that's certainly a gray area and i think that's something that is going to come up and within the court system going forward i think the dangerous thing to do you know especially when you're talking about creating laws in stiffing penalties against these denial of service attacks is dangerous because a lot of people lying deede dawson attacks with hacking in there are two entirely different things you're not actually breaking into a corporate network and pulling out data and that sort of thing you're simply sending a tool to shut down the ability for people to access a website so they're two different things so i think it's important for lawmakers to understand the difference between the two as per the possibility that they could be considered a type to be considered a digital sit in i think t

d.d. o. s. attacks coming towards the new york stock exchange we're going to ask if didio s. is really a crime or just a form of protected speech where you have all that and more tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. the numbers are starting to come out about how much g.o.p. presidential candidates have raised in the last campaign period and the mainstream media is of course all over it those money determines the front runners in a political contest no down about who is out front the perry fund raising numbers are very good it's very good news for the texas governor seventeen million dollars twenty two thousand individual donors from all fifty states and rick perry's cash on hand when all is said and done about fifteen million dollars romney is expected to have raised about fifteen million dollars in the third quarter. now there are a number of things at play here the on one hand does it matter who raises more money well of course it does our political system is set up in situ a that let's face it whoev