brand, da vitae and boy george. that's something that was probably unthinkable about 50 years ago. >> yes. >> do you think that has led to the destigmatization of addict, or do you think it's led to a wider acceptance of drug use in society in general? >> i don't think it's encouraged people to use drugs. i think there have been some people who have made a -- some positive -- i was right in the middle of my answer. >> good space. >> the public is fine. yes, mr. summers. >> i've completely forgotten where i was. >> high-profile patients and destigmatization. >> i think there are certain celebrities who have made a sort of positive message about drug use, which is it has not helped the situation at all. i think most people who get better from drug addiction are a very positive influence. but i think there are some celebrities, obviously, who have probably contributed to people using drugs because they make it look glammous, they make it look interesting, and i don't suppose that helps. but i think as long as -- while