, dada, dah"-- i can see where he could take that information and use it. >> simon: but mathis said hely did use it to place bets. what do you think of what donaghy did? >> mathis: it's reprehensible. it took a career of mine, 25 years, and sort of washed it down the toilet. >> simon: so, donaghy really spoiled the reputation of all you guys? >> mathis: no doubt. >> simon: mike mathis is a man you respect, right? >> donaghy: sure. >> simon: mathis said your betting on n.b.a. games was reprehensible. do you agree? >> donaghy: absolutely. >> simon: did you feel that you were doing something wrong? >> donaghy: sure. but, obviously, it was... it was easy and it was exciting. and i actually didn't realize the consequences of my actions. >> simon: you didn't know that you were doing... doing something that could get you into trouble? >> donaghy: obviously, it was in the back of my head. but i think you just go with the notion that you're not going to be caught. >> simon: thought you could get away with it? >> donaghy: yes. >> simon: and donaghy might well have gotten away with it. he might s