. >> doingen, let me go to dagen one second here. dagen? >> i'm in favor of helping people to not sumplet i've been in favor that have since long before you were born, but i'm not in favor of stealing from one group and giving it to another political interest group. >> american citizens -- ben, are american citizens a special interest group or are they just human beings? >> no, no, but democrats are special interest groups. unions are a special interest group. let's give the money to everybody in need, not just to people who happen to be democrats. >> can i jump in, charles, please? >> go ahead, adam. >> i hope you have the bags ready for the people suffocating themselves. >> let's have a realistic conversation here, both of you. for starters, the stimulus was a good idea when it started because it raised people's confidence levels, and we badly needed that when the bill was passed. but ben is right. he's speaking truth to power here. the way it's been implemented has not been good. we could have done a much better job. we still can do a mu

neil: but hear what dagen said at the outset. you admit a mistake and you should never do in this business but one thing you mentioned that is interesting and we talked about this in the campaign last year that i always think that tax rates are a moving target. when you look at where the top rate is bounced round in is 90, 72% 80%, then whatever. i heard one congressman tell me, a democratic congressman who said the top rate used to be 90%. we have a long way to go. in other words, saying even at a top combined rate of 55, 56, 58, maybe 60% we have a long way to go. now the top rate i was talking about was a 90% federal rate and we were told that this deficit relief would come in large part by tax being the upper income. now they have changed it and said that is not going to quite do. that worries me. >> it should because the sky is the limit on the top tax brackets and i guarantee you that the cost of healthcare reform is not going to -- this isn't going to self-finance in terms of cost reduction with the healthcare overhaul. it

michael dagen is also with us. let me start with you, doctor. -- baden is also with us.gs would kill you? >>ç some of those drugs had ben gathered from 2003 when police visited his home. çthe milky white substance, whh sounds like diprivan, could have done some damage. a lot of these drugs could cause death. versed is also an anesthetic agent, so they are all dangerous drugs. the problem that tmz found is that many of these drugs were prescribed to people with different names, that doctors were prescribing the drug under false the aliases. martha: let me bring in mike walters, the news manager for gm's you don't come -- tmz.com. talk to me about the investigation. as the doctor just pointed out, they have a million different names, all from different doctors. where was he getting them? >> first of all, the coroner told us that they're looking at his background of prescription drug use. we got all of this stuff from the molestation trial. remember, they were looking for accusations of pedophilia, but the drugs were there. not only were there in large quantities of power