and creepy or coincidence, ben stein, charles payne, dagen mcdowell along with the best business reporter on the planet, charlie gasperino. and the timing period, i'll leave it that. >> if they bring a knife, you bring a gun. that's the chicago way. >> neil: very good. >> and it's obvious-- >> that's like creepy good. >> it's obvious that this is political pay back, we know s & p failed we know they blew it, so did moody's, and everyone else. why did the noise ratchet up on this. trying to discredit them more, as if they need to be discredited to discredit the downgrade. it seems purely political to me. >> neil: charlie, you say they take among, take months. fine, i agreed with that. >> sometimes years. >> neil: do you think had we not had the downgrade we would have had decisions within days of that. >> they haven't finished the lehman brothers investigation, that's all i can tell you and we're talking three years. i will say this, obviously the leak or whatever it was was curious, it's not going to-- they were shooting back at s & p, the government is-- >> for now they've left fitch and