become chief justice, one of the first opinions he wrote was a case dealing with dimer chrysler -- daimler chrysler. it was all about standing. i think it was his first opinion or second opinion as chief justice. he wrote a powerful standing decision going down various different bases for speeding in rejecting all of them. the other cases in the environmental area -- one case was where the ninth circuit had issued a decision that restricted the use of sonar by submarines because of the damage it might do to wales and the submarine's one. the next case was the one dealing with the loggers who won. the next one had to deal with the use of the best available technology to pool water. that was best available technology piccolo cross benefit analysis, which won. -- technology versus cost- benefit analysis, which won. the gold mining company case was also discussed. they were concerned about killing the fish in this case. was the thinking of them as bait rather than fish. they were going to be killed temporarily. after this was done, the wildlife would be ok. the gold miners one in that case. th

the problem is when you look at toyota, when you look at daimler, when you look at honda, you find companies that are not levered so i think you are driven to equity by the decision to try to maximize the return, have a successful company. as far as the exit, it's going to be orderly. it's going to take advantage of a profitable company and our private capital markets. >> what's it going to take? i know you don't know how many years the government will be in. you don't know exactly whether or not there will be more money. in other words, gm and chrysler, things don't work out quite as you maybe thought they would, and they need more money, and you go back to the well, what will it take to get them on their feet and the money back? it will have to be a pretty rosy scenario, would it not? >> no, sir, i really don't think it is. i want to emphasize that. >> describe the scenario you would think. >> we believe that using a conservative set of assumptions about market share, about overall market, about margins, about costs, about all the things that would go in, we are strongly believe that this