where we have a very healthy and strong auto sales market, we see a drop -- >> daimlerchrysler?ford and gm keep their prices above the industry average. chrysler right at the industry average. if you take a look at a graph of what gm has done with its prices as opposed to what dime x chrysler has done, they go in opposite directions. here you see gm in yellow, prices climbing, climbing, climbing. and daimler, the big luxury maker of mercedes, lowering significantly. >> and they also brought out cheaper models. >> they're really getting that entry-level luxury market. german carmakers across the board are lowering their prices. u.s. companies are raising prices. maybe that will have to change because we're looking at so much inventory on the lot's of u.s. carmakers right now. seasonably, it is a slow time. you don't go out and buy a car in january because it is cold outside. maybe we will see a reversal. maybe we will see these companies have to come back on their prices, although, they definitely don't want to. >> land rover also having a tough day. some of the 2013-2014 vehicle